Ken Bigley

**jofyisgod** · 27/09/2004, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Éanna

The only pity is its not Halliburton's oil hungry execs that are getting their heads chopped off and that poor unfortunates like Bigley have got caught in the crossfire.

True Eanna, and before i say this i'd like to point out that i am very sympathetic towards Bigley's family and friends and i do not condone this in any way, but who, in their right mind would be out in Iraq at the moment? He wasn't forced out there as a member of the Armed Forces, nor was he forced due to work. He chose to go, he must have known the risks...It's like jumping into a river, and then complaining when you're drowning.

It annoys me then that people instantly jump on Blair. Yes, he is PM, yes, you voted him and yes, you voted for him to take decisions that you wouldn't.(You-the general UK public) He will be accountable at the next election, so get him then if you are going to, don't start a witchhunt and make things worse for Muslims here in the UK, as Liam already mentioned.TBH, he'll get voted in again anyway, but that's irrelevant.

Is there that much Blair can do to save this man? Once a terrorist has paid $150,000 for a man, they're not going to give him back airy-fairy.
Remember, while Blair is saying that his Govt don't want to be seen giving in to terrorists, the Terrorists won't want to lose face by giving in to the West.
Catch-22.

Good Luck, Ken, and I hope you somehow get out.

**liam88** · 27/09/2004, 8:30 PM

and we've all established I don't spend my Saturday nights stoning Woking Mosque?

Thinking about it I was angry when I wrote my original post-I would stand in the way

**sylvo** · 28/09/2004, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by liam88

Thinking about it I was angry when I wrote my original post-I would stand in the way

Liam 2-0 son from saturday, I was'nt let yer go without a little reminder.

Anyway back on track. The Ken Bigley case is indeed a very sad one as indeed the whole situation in Iraq, thank's to George W and his blame Saddam for 9/11 and grab all the oil war he's now taken a secular Islamic state and turned it into a fundamentel Islamic state, and the insurgent's are sadly just going following America and Britain's role in killing innocent people, anybody getting killed is tragic.
I do understand the fear's of Muslim's in Britain, after all it was'nt all that long ago that our community was public enemy in the eye's of most of the media and the police. The rise in arrest's and stop and search's by the police of not just muslim's but on any member of the Asian community has rocketed and has left a siege mentality in many Asain's which was pretty much the same situation for the Irish community in the 70's and 80's.
The media has done their total best as well to strke fear into the joe blogg's Brit public with hysteria about Abu Hamsa and the finsbury park Mosque making joe Blogg's public think that their under siege from Islam, were in fact Abu Hamsa is not or ever has been a Muslim Cleric and is just there for his own personnal gain's, if they'd gone to any other mosque they would have just found people practising their religon and not bothering anyone. But of course that's no good for the media stance of we have to have an enemy to sell to Joe Blogg's Brit public, last year the eastern europian's claiming benifit's now the muslim's.

**brendy_éire** · 28/09/2004, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

and we've all established I don't spend my Saturday nights stoning Woking Mosque?

Aye.

Really mis-interpreted what ye were saying.

**Éanna** · 29/09/2004, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Fire away, flame me. I don't care. I know there is a small precentage who shouldnt be there but the vast majority of these guys are just Osama's minnions.

No intention of flaming you at all. Just of pointing out the total inaccuracy of your statement in calling them POWs. As for them being Osama's minnions. I wouldn't believe that either, but it is entirely possible. How about the fact that Osama was a US minnion less than 20 years ago?

**Closed Account 2** · 30/09/2004, 3:36 AM

The poor man will probably be decapitated, certainly if Zarkawi is involved it sounds ominous.

While some of the blame must lie with Bush and Blair, imo the vast majority of it has to lie with the scumbags who actually chop peoples heads off on tv. I think absolving them from blame is not a particularly smart course of action. While the war in Iraq is questionable (and I was actually against it for geo-political reasons) and the Red Army's track record in Chechnya is not very good, the day we pseudo-legitimise events like Beslan, 9/11, and these beheadings is the day we go down a very dangerous path. These particular sorts of terrorists would kill anyone of us "Westerners" (even if we didnt like the West) given half a chance, they even kill their fellow Muslims if theyre deemed too moderate. I wonder if these "mea culpa" views would be the same if say, it was one of our children blown up by terrorists at school, if it was our grandparents executed on holiday, or if we were left rummaging through the remains of the World Trade Center looking for our wives or husbands... one of these days it could be.

Another thing worth bearing in mind is that Fundamentalists dont just target the West, as ive said before they dont have a problem with killing fellow Muslims. Also bear in mind theyve (Al Qaeda esque groups) have chopped the heads off Serbs, Pilipinos, Indian Hindus and even attacked the East Timorese (certainly the latter can hardly be described as agents of Western Oppression). And the treatment Islamic regimes dish out to Egyptian Coptic Christians, Iranian Zorastrians or in Sudan suggests to me that there are larger forces at work than simply this West v Islam idea. Also other poor people / regions have it much worse (IMO Latin Americans face poverty and a history Western Interference on a scale that dwarfs anything the Islamic world faces), yet they dont react in such a way, so why has Islamic Fundamentalism got such a root?

Personally I find the way the left wing (a viewpoint which I hold in high regard) is rallying around an Ideology that is so overtly repressive to homosexuals and isn’t too keen on women’s rights disconcerting and a trifle worrying. I’m neither a homosexual nor a woman but I wouldn’t want to see their rights (which theyve had to wait so long for) go down the pan - and when you see things like the Canadian proposal to introduce Sharia'a law you begin to worry. And you have to be concerned over the legitimacy of an ideology that refuses to allow any negative questions to arise, look at what happened to Rushdie when he had a fatwa against him. I can still remember all the book burnings and rallies in London, looking at that now -the burning of books that didn’t adhere to a particular ideology- it has smacks of a certain right wing regime that was prevalent in Germany in the 1930s. But I guess that’s a different topic.

Anyway I hope Bigley survives, but I fear the worst.

**joeSoap** · 08/10/2004, 12:22 PM

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...228464,00.html

**blobbyblob** · 08/10/2004, 12:24 PM

Unconfirmed

**joeSoap** · 08/10/2004, 12:32 PM

Maybe it's someone trying to make Billy Connolly feel even worse

**fosterdollar** · 08/10/2004, 12:58 PM

by the sounds of his reaction to journalists this morning he doesnt feel that bad

thecorner · 08/10/2004, 1:15 PM

how could they kill an "irishman"

**blobbyblob** · 08/10/2004, 1:18 PM

will mrs bigley get an irish widows pension

**max power** · 08/10/2004, 1:23 PM

he has dual citizenship and yes she is entitled to the pension, BUT he didn't sign the application form for the passport so we might use that loop hole to get out of paying it

**Macy** · 08/10/2004, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

will mrs bigley get an irish widows pension

Only if she moves to Ireland afaik. If she's under a certain age she won't qualify after one of the "new Labour" right wing social secruity changes

**joeSoap** · 08/10/2004, 1:39 PM

This is all just lovely lads....lovely.

**joeSoap** · 08/10/2004, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by blobbyblob

Unconfirmed

Video of him getting beheaded on Al-Jazzeira TV a short while ago...

**Peadar** · 08/10/2004, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by davros

insignificant though compared to the amount of Iraqis & Palestinians killed on a daily basis

In order to have a respect for life we must begin with valuing each individual life. The destruction of one life is never insignificant!

**jofyisgod** · 08/10/2004, 4:28 PM

Fúck, i thought he might walk away to be honest. Every day he was still around, his chances got better. RIP.

Every life counts, but in the eyes of our press, British lives count more...

**liam88** · 08/10/2004, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by thecorner

how could they kill an "irishman"

They have alreayd killed 2 Irish reporters

**liam88** · 08/10/2004, 5:56 PM

Ken Bigley has been confirmend dead. RIP.
This is barbaric whatever the circumstances.
He was helping Iraqis by what he was building them but politics aside it take snothing away from how barbaric this is

They've done Muslim in the UK no favours-just more BNP/C18/NF properganda material.
Very sad indeed.