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    Quote Originally Posted by dahamsta
    Unfortunately, I know far more about the law as it applies to web discussion forums than I ever wanted to learn. The first thing I learned is that they have very little to do with traditional libel law. Foot.ie isn't "the media", it's a discussion site where regular people state their opinions, and as such we had to transfer responsibility for those statements onto their original posters via our terms and conditions to protect ourselves legally. The critical point here is that unlike "the media" we're not a publisher, we're simply an aggregator of statement and opinion. Here's your statement:

    What's happened here is that you've stated this as fact, and if the aforementioned "grown man" - obviously referring to Keane - actually does go to court and is declared innocent, you will have libelled him. In which case, he may well wish to sue you for damages. If that happens, the first place his lawyers will come is here, looking for your identity. Which I won't give them without a writ, but I'd be very surprised if they wouldn't get one, at which point I'll hand the details over sharpish, no bother at all. Foot.ie is non-for-profit remember; we don't have any money.

    Perhaps you're right, perhaps a judge would take the sarcastic nature of your post into account (personally I didn't pick up on any sarcasm, it looks to me like a statement of fact) but would he award you costs? I doubt it. In which case you'd be out of pocket, perhaps seriously so (Keane is a wealthy man remember, he can afford to drag cases out with discovery and legal research).

    I post all this because, in a rather hypocritical fashion, you yourself have been condescending right back at me, which demonstrates that you haven't really thought about this very carefully (imho). If you had, you would have realised that all I was trying to do was protect my users by instilling a little common sense when it comes to posting statements here.

    Believe me, I've been threatened with legal action for far less than your statement, and I'm pretty sure my knowledge of the law in this area has saved a few of my users a pretty penny, from far less angst-ridden people than Keane.

    So do me a favour, drop the attitude, eh? It's always wise to remember that web forums are traditionally benevolent dictatorships. And even benevolent dictators get ticked off with being talked down to by the proletariat occasionally, and go on a deletion spree.

    adam
    I wasn't being condescending at any point, you were when you instructed me on how one should think before speaking and telling me to try it for myself. If you were trying to protect your users, there was no reason to simply make fun of me, was there? I know that websites are up in the air when it comes to libel - I lecture in it - and don't believe one sarcastic comment would warrant a legal action. If you're protecting the website, that's cool because it's a great website, but in future just say that and don't take the ****. Libel actions take place on a regular basis but they are rarely something anyone wants and judges often call for common sense in a matter. If the defendant has genuinely lowered the plaintiff in the eyes of decent thinking members of society, the plaintiff has a case. In the case of one sarcastic sentence, which I qualified in the one immediately following it, as well as in a following post, I think anyone willing to shell out tens of thousands of pounds to pursue it. I do appreciate where you're coming from and see your point but I would have had no problem with what you said if you hadn't have taken the approach that you did and then tell me to lose the attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecorner
    and he says hiding behind a pc screen

    ah but what do u know, hes from limerick

    arent they all sneaky fcukers down there
    Aw will you ever blow it out your ars e!
    You praised the guy for making a tackle he freely admits was intended to cause injury.
    Just to remind you why he was attempting such a vile thing btw ...he wasn't delivering any "payback" for anything similar done by Haaland.
    He actually attempted something similar when Haaland was playing for Leeds United, thankfully mistimed it, missed AIH almost completely and ended up fcuking his own knee up.
    Haaland, who to be fair probably didn't realise Keane'd just torn his ligaments, gave out stink to the panned out on the ground Keane for attempting a dangerous tackle and then feigning injury in an attempt to dodge a booking.

    That's all that rubbed Keane up the wrong way -being remonstrated with by a not unreasonably aggrieved party -who didbn't realise Keane had actually hurt himself through no-ones fault but his own.
    " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
    Aw will you ever blow it out your ars e!
    You praised the guy for making a tackle he freely admits was intended to cause injury.
    Just to remind you why he was attempting such a vile thing btw ...he wasn't delivering any "payback" for anything similar done by Haaland.
    He actually attempted something similar when Haaland was playing for Leeds United, thankfully mistimed it, missed AIH almost completely and ended up fcuking his own knee up.
    Haaland, who to be fair probably didn't realise Keane'd just torn his ligaments, gave out stink to the panned out on the ground Keane for attempting a dangerous tackle and then feigning injury in an attempt to dodge a booking.

    That's all that rubbed Keane up the wrong way -being remonstrated with by a not unreasonably aggrieved party -who didbn't realise Keane had actually hurt himself through no-ones fault but his own.
    its called revenge

    i think ye call it punishment beatings

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    roy keane has pleaded not guilty to the charges

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecorner
    its called revenge

    i think ye call it punishment beatings
    Enough, people, enough. Please. Holy God, who would have thought a Roy Keane thread would bring out such hostility?

    Away from the petty shenanigans and back to the original topic of discussion...

    Keano will be available to play against the Frogs, as the case is adjourned to a pre-trial review on October 21st and he has been released on unconditional bail, so I don't see why he won't be in the clear to play for us. I cannot see Kerr as being so anally sanctimonious as to drop a key midfielder for the biggest game of the group until his name is cleared for allegedly breaking some money-grabbing skank's wah chain. So a sigh of relief there.

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    dear TerryPhelan,could you not think of your own name,instead copying mine??
    The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecorner
    its called revenge

    i think ye call it punishment beatings
    revenge for what exactly? being given out to after inflicting an injury on yourself?
    Oh what's the point? Away back to your playstation with ya.
    " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Phelan
    dear TerryPhelan,could you not think of your own name,instead copying mine??
    Dear Terry Phelan,

    I did not think up my own name - it was none other than the prophetic wisdom of my parents that is responsible for my being named after 'The Greatest' - one Terence Phelan. I have been a Terry for as long as I can remember.

    I hope you aren't offended by this, but to be honest, it has always been an abiding football philosophy of mine that there were never enough Terry Phelans (even though it seemed like there were about 7 of him on the park at some stages), so I stand by that. The more the Terry-er.

    Yours in sympathetic Phelan,
    TerryPhelan

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecorner
    never knew that the young fella was a rovers fan
    Eh get it right roy. A pats fan! Try taking off your roy glasses for a second. Anyone who condones that tackle needs their head examined.

    And dear director yeah I know it's a pun and, as donal says, I would be very surprised if one comment on a football website would warrant legal action.


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    Calm Down Dear !

    Could we all put our energy into something more positive ?

    How about a whip round for the kid. He has had a valuable £20 chain damaged in the assault. It could have been a family heirloom !

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    http://www.sportinglife.com/football...al_091525.html

    Roy's pleaded not guilty and the case has been adjourned to 21st October.

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    A neck chain worth £20 eh?
    Obviously no sink estate scumbag then

    You can get a lot of copper for £20

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryPhelan
    Dear Terry Phelan,

    I did not think up my own name - it was none other than the prophetic wisdom of my parents that is responsible for my being named after 'The Greatest' - one Terence Phelan. I have been a Terry for as long as I can remember.

    I hope you aren't offended by this, but to be honest, it has always been an abiding football philosophy of mine that there were never enough Terry Phelans (even though it seemed like there were about 7 of him on the park at some stages), so I stand by that. The more the Terry-er.

    Yours in sympathetic Phelan,
    TerryPhelan
    TerryPhelan, I think you are as troublesome as Terry Duckworth (son of Vera and Jack Duckworth from Coronation Street). I do agree however that it is always nice to have a new Terryier.
    "Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe." Dillo

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.
    TerryPhelan, I think you are as troublesome as Terry Duckworth (son of Vera and Jack Duckworth from Coronation Street). I do agree however that it is always nice to have a new Terryier.
    That pun was just Terryble.

    You've lost that lovin' Phelan, woah-oh that lovin' Phelan...

    Phelan hot-hot-hot!
    Phelan hot-hot-hot!

    And so on and so forth.
    Up The Battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONE BRIAN KERR
    Roy's pleaded not guilty and the case has been adjourned to 21st October.
    At least he turned up. He didn't cry off injured and Ferguson didn't tell the magistrate he'd prefer if Roy didn't travel for this as it was not a serious fixture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhoops
    At least he turned up. He didn't cry off injured and Ferguson didn't tell the magistrate he'd prefer if Roy didn't travel for this as it was not a serious fixture!

    ah well there is somethings he has to turn up for

    im sure kerr is happy to have for the big games

    legends need a rest from time to time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conor74
    That would be despite the prosecution saying it wasn't a race attack, and the judge concurring.

    I'll quote your own point

    At least I don't claim to know more than the prosecution barrister and presiding judge. Then again, I don't get my court reports from the Daily Mirror...

    Of course I wasn't suggesting the crimes were similar. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that if this allegation was made against an English 'hard man' we'd be up in arms.



    So I cant pass judgement on Roy, but you can pass judgement on me!!! The hypocrisy here gets ever more amusing... Go on, what next in the defence of the Boy? Try contradicting yourself in an even shorter sentence...
    so from my post you have worked out that I read the Mirror..interesting...(just for the record I don't and never have )
    but then again just to use a quote of mine you liked "you have more facts than me "

    also for the record the Judge did not say it wasn't racist attack..you are correct in saying the prosecution did.....

    maybe when your finished reading the mirror pass it on to me and I can see where you get your amzing sixth sense and opinions from
    Bring back the plank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias
    so from my post you have worked out that I read the Mirror..interesting...(just for the record I don't and never have )
    but then again just to use a quote of mine you liked "you have more facts than me "

    also for the record the Judge did not say it wasn't racist attack..you are correct in saying the prosecution did.....

    maybe when your finished reading the mirror pass it on to me and I can see where you get your amzing sixth sense and opinions from
    There is absolutely no evidence that this vile, vicious assault was motivated by race. Just lots of speculation by sanctimonious tabloids, who love turning up the heat on such things, because the poor lad who got milled had asian origins. So I'll join the speculation and say if I were a wealthy young Leeds United footballer out about town and in the humour for a racist attack on an unsuspecting asian kid I'd probably postpone it to some other night i wasn't drinking with one of my black team mates. But that's just me.

    I'll also speculate that it's considerably more likely that lip was exchanged between two parties one of whom had a favourable disposition towards Bradford City AFC, the other employed by Leeds United AFC and that a confrontation ensued and got out of hand.

    I might well be talking out my h0le -but no more so than the tabs or anyone else advancing the race attack motive.
    " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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    [QUOTE=Lionel Ritchie] this vile, vicious assault .... QUOTE]


    at least we agree on something..

    my original point was that you cannot compare the alleged keane assault with this actual assault and with bowyer...my original post was effectively a wait and see approach when the facts come out.

    the bowyer crap has snowballed and is off thread
    Bring back the plank

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    agreed. not comparing like with like.

    Back to Roy ...aint it incredible the amount of furore two scobes and a dog can cause?
    " I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"

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