QuoteWhich doesn't seem anywhere very promising...
Respect with reasoned, impersonal criticism - yes.
Blind servility - no.
For me, Trap's Irish history is just that. It's where he's bringing us that's more important.
Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
- E Tattsyrup.
Which doesn't seem anywhere very promising...
Same could have been said after the Russia game at the start of the last campaign. Of course, some would say that he still didn't bring us anywhere promising as we had a poor tournament. Being realistic though, with our current squad, tournament qualification is a fantastic result. I'm sure Roy Keane would have steam coming out of his ears at the notion but unfortunately we don't have any Roy Keane's anymore. I pretty much agree with POS too, let the next two games (possibly one game) decide his future. Even if we lose them both I'll look back at his time in charge with positivity.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
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He was very good between 2008 and 2010. Resurrected the Ireland team out of the ashes of the Staunton mess, brought in some new players, got everyone playing in a system. Got draws against Italy and was robbed by France in the playoffs. Very well done.
His system was cruelly exposed by Russia in Dublin though, in October 2010. And since then everything has been fairly rubbish. All the opposition managers have sussed us out now, and yet we do nothing to change. Sure, we qualified for Euro 2012 thanks to large slices of luck against Armenia and through playing a very poor Estonia side that self-destructed. But I actually thought we were much better in the WC2010 campaign. That side deserved to qualify much more than the Euro2012 side did.
I don't know what happened post-2010. He's not the same manager we hired in 2008.
he is 4 years older - I'm not being smart there. But there is probably a change in attitude.
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I don't go with this luck thing.
Trap's tactics had crumbled to varying degrees in almost every home game in his first 2 campaigns, but away performances made up the difference. We qualified because we were easily the best second team in the Group. We had much more experience than Armenia and Estonia when it came to those pressure games.
Those teams can play a bit, but playing when there's something serious at stake is another matter, players make mistakes they wouldn't normally make.
We were seeded in the play off because of our results over a 4 year period. It was a hard earned qualification in an average group. There's no luck involved with that.
Far better teams than what we have now, would not have beaten Macedonia so handy on their own turf, and if Macedonia didn't miss a last minute penalty against Russia, we could have finished level with Russia.
What happened after we qualified is another story and now in the 3rd campaign it will take nothing short of a miracle by Trap with his tactics, to finish second.
Yeah, fairly rubbish going unbeaten for the rest of the campaign and qualifying. We also had an eight game run without conceding a goal during that period.
Any time we play a team that can string two passes together we get torn open. It's plain to see for everyone. If we measure success by keeping clean sheets against Estonia and Armenia then we have reached a new low. We've never put up with losing 6-1 at home.
Estonia can play a bit? They've never qualified for anything.Those teams can play a bit, but playing when there's something serious at stake is another matter, players make mistakes they wouldn't normally make.
you get lucky (good or bad) in individual incidents, player misses an open goal, fluffs a penalty, scores an OG, keeper drops a ball on your strikers boot, etc
over a qualifying campaign, or campaigns, these things become less and less relevant, and it's the plans/tactics/strategies that you have for these campaigns that make the difference
As Seneca once said, "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."
And is it a new low to measure success by qualifying for tournaments? We've never been in a situation where we lost 6-1 at home having qualified for a tournament just months earlier. I suppose Alex Ferguson should have got the road after losing 6-1 at home to City last season.
Their short history means nothing. They reached the playoffs on merit, second place in a group that contained Serbia and Slovenia (two countries who have previously qualified), beating them both away. Three of the four teams we could have played in the playoff hadn't previously qualified for anything anyway, due to the fact that we had earned our place as a seeded team.
Nor have Armenia, Bosnia or Montenegro. All can play a bit. Armenia racked up 4 in Slovakia FFS.
I'd rather we hadn't qualified for Euro 2012 to be honest. We were total rubbish, the worst team at the tournament and statistically the worst team in the history of the European Championships.
If that was the best we could possibly do, you'd say one thing, but we had the likes of Marc Wilson and Wes Hoolahan watching at home, not even in the squad - two players who possibly should have been in the first eleven. Especially galling when you think that our main weaknesses were ball retention in the centre of midfield, that Ward had a nightmare against Croatia and that Dunne was not fully fit. Given was also clearly not fit but was picked anyway.
Sometimes Roy Keane is right. We shouldn't be happy to just go along for the sing-song.
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That's easy to say in hindsight though. Can you say that qualification was something you didn't celebrate after the Estonia games?
Wilson was invited to take Kevin Foley's place on the standby list, but was unable to do so as his American girlfriend had just gone into hospital in the US.If that was the best we could possibly do, you'd say one thing, but we had the likes of Marc Wilson and Wes Hoolahan watching at home, not even in the squad - two players who possibly should have been in the first eleven.
Of course not. I don't think anyone here is blindly celebrating the Euros because there was a sing-song or whatever.Sometimes Roy Keane is right. We shouldn't be happy to just go along for the sing-song.
DiCanio has no respect for Mr Trapattoni.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/socc...attoni-1951437
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Di Canio pushing an authority figure to the ground and Trap not being able to "fathom the idea of having an extra talented player in the midfield."
Unsavory as the described '93 incident was, at least both men learned a lesson and never repeated their mistakes.
Wonder how P.O'S feels now?
Much the same as me, maybe?
The only thing you two agree on is that Nigella Lawson has one of the best racks in England. (Overly Pasty as she is.)
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Lamb racks...ya and unfortunately Saatchi found out....
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
He has won a reprieve or extended his stay more like, if he gets 6 in september then I think we can agree with his methods. He has shown possible signs that it could be done. I think 4 would be a decent return, in one way I'd rather it was away against Austria, but in another way I want it to be at home against Sweden where he gets the 3 points.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
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