2013 Attendances

**oriel** · 29/04/2013, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'm now 100% convinced that Pats only count people who pay on the night (ie they don't include season tickets, guests etc like they should do). Have a look at the Pats highlights tonight. That stand holds 1,900 and was far more than 3/4 full. There was another 3-400 on the Camac side. I'm usually very conservative with estimates but there's absolutely no way the announced crowd was right

This sounds similar to what Dundalk do, they only count paying in tickets on the night, but then add back in the ST holders figure. Naturally not all of the ST people will go to every game, but it will even out over the season and I think this is a very reasonable way to arrive at the figure that is reported. Also you have to take into account the usual small figure who are neither paying in or ST, like sponsors, other free, guests and media.

It does sound like Pats are simply not including they ST figure, so can you assume all future crowds at RP should be the figure announced + whatever your ST figure is?

**Ezeikial** · 29/04/2013, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

Ezekial, I don't disagree with you regarding how there is an influence from tv, or other reasons, it's just too easy to blame one cause for it, especially as the fans have been out in force this year and there is a new energy about the club.

On the other point, 2 years ago I made the mistake of offering to help the club out of loyalty. I ended up being embarrassed by what went on. I know it's a new crew (mostly) in there, especially with Andy and Paul in charge (from personal experience they're 2 of the best guys about and massively genuine), though what this trip home has thought me is that (from Friday night at UCD and tonight at Richmond) there is a lot for the LOI clubs to do and I don't see it changing any time soon. It makes Russia look like a cake walk (tongue in cheek of course).

???
Not for the first time, I am perplexed by your reply!

You said this originally-

Originally Posted by Spudulika

There are ways to replace or boost the income, though it does take working a bit more ot.

I ask you to tell us what these "ways" are in your opinion.

Maybe you were just spoofing or these "ways" are highly confidential commercial secrets!

**PartySaint** · 29/04/2013, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'm now 100% convinced that Pats only count people who pay on the night (ie they don't include season tickets, guests etc like they should do). Have a look at the Pats highlights tonight. That stand holds 1,900 and was far more than 3/4 full. There was another 3-400 on the Camac side. I'm usually very conservative with estimates but there's absolutely no way the announced crowd was right

It's definitely something like that. I'm always about 2/300 off with my estimates in Richmond. There is no way there was only 1,700 at the Drogs game and only 1,600 at the Sligo game. I was convinced one of our turnstyle clickers weren't working but your way sounds more plausible

**NeverFeltBetter** · 29/04/2013, 1:20 PM

Thomond had automatic ticket scanners in operation against Shels by the way, which should help with some iffy (or non-existent) attendance announcements in future.

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 29/04/2013, 1:36 PM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

It's definitely something like that. I'm always about 2/300 off with my estimates in Richmond. There is no way there was only 1,700 at the Drogs game and only 1,600 at the Sligo game. I was convinced one of our turnstyle clickers weren't working but your way sounds more plausible

There's no turnstile for the away section. Just walk in the big gate.

**Ezeikial** · 29/04/2013, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah

There's no turnstile for the away section. Just walk in the big gate.

ahem.....after you buy a ticket (which might even be numbered)

**Dodge** · 29/04/2013, 2:48 PM

All fans are supposed to eb ticketed but I know the guest list isn't always. Season tickets (for Pats) have removable tickets for each game so it shouldn't be a problem. I do think that paid tickets are counted to reconcile cash and that's all they care about.

Rovers have had tickets scans since they moved to Tallaght but they refuse to announce official attendances. For their own reasons I assume

**fionnsci** · 29/04/2013, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I'm now 100% convinced that Pats only count people who pay on the night (ie they don't include season tickets, guests etc like they should do). Have a look at the Pats highlights tonight. That stand holds 1,900 and was far more than 3/4 full. There was another 3-400 on the Camac side. I'm usually very conservative with estimates but there's absolutely no way the announced crowd was right

Yeah, inclined to agree. The official figures have been very much on the low side this season.

**Nah Nah Nah Nah** · 29/04/2013, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

ahem.....after you buy a ticket (which might even be numbered)

ahem.....I was replying to his comment about a turnstile clicker maybe being broken

**jinxy lilywhite** · 29/04/2013, 9:04 PM

Personally I think we have a fall off in attendance acrross the whole league from the months of May till August. Whether it is the bright evenings, people saving for holidays, on holidays or returning from holidays, or a general reduction in peoples disposable income, you notice a drop off in the grounds from the start of the season.

I also believe that the bright evenings negatively affects the athmosphere and that may in effect reduce the footfall that grace our grounds over the spring/summer season. Floodlit games imo offer a better ambiance, maybe it is the tribal animal in us all.

Would a move to Winter football be the magic bullet? Probably not and the the cold and wet would be the very reasons that attendances would reduce over the months of late october to January.

Personally i thought in oriel there was 1400 to 1500 but that was my opinion.

For clubs to increase the overall attendences of the league i feel that clubs need to understand the trends/factors of the attendances and this needs to be done in 2 ways by the clubs improving what they can do individually, and as a league as a whole. I fear that the majority of clubs views attendances in a solitary fashion and on a club by club basis but it is probably more interlinked to each clubs more that they realise. In my eyes the major caveat to the league improving is that not only do so many clubs lack a clear and coherent plan but there is not an overall vision by the powers that be on how they would like to see the league run and their objectives and goals for the league in 2 years or even 5 years time.
lol if their is then it must be better guarded than the last secret of fatima.

**Jofspring** · 29/04/2013, 9:06 PM

Usually most off the drop off is because people go into the season optimistic and if after a few games its not going how they imagined they start to pick and choose the matches they do attend. People are just too fickle.

**bullit** · 29/04/2013, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by fionnsci

I said it tongue in cheek because you commented very early in the morning (late at night). That and it was pretty nonsensical and obnoxious just like your subsequent comment to me.

Jaysus,sorry if i offended you.Not like me to be offending people.Again realy, realy,realy,realy sorry for any offense caused.

**Charlie Darwin** · 29/04/2013, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by bullit

Jaysus,sorry if i offended you.Not like me to be offending people.Again realy, realy,realy,realy sorry for any offense caused.

Prove it by running on the pitch at the next Dundalk game waving an umbrella.

**nigel-harps1954** · 29/04/2013, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

Your Overall average is wrong there Nigel.

Prem average and Div 1 average both up but overall down. I make it 90 LoI matches played this season (58 in Prem and 32 in Div 1) so Overall average should be 1257.

Microsoft Excel tells me it's 1065. I trust the mathematics of a computer. There were less teams last season, which makes last seasons average higher.

**bullit** · 30/04/2013, 3:01 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

Bullit, if you were less rude you might be able to elicit a proper answer. TV coverage shouldn't affect attendance by 25%, and certainly shouldn't make such a dent in revenue for the match. There are ways to replace or boost the income, though it does take working a bit more ot.

joke right?

Still waiting for this silver bullet solution you and Maribov have?

**Dillonman** · 30/04/2013, 7:46 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Prove it by running on the pitch at the next Dundalk game waving an umbrella.

That's Rovers fans who wave umbrellas during games...

**Charlie Darwin** · 30/04/2013, 9:38 AM

Originally Posted by Dillonman

That's Rovers fans who wave umbrellas during games...

**adamd164** · 30/04/2013, 10:44 AM

ExtraTime estimates 300 at Bray vs Cork City.

I think that's being generous! The away crowd were a good chunk of the overall attendance, and there weren't that many of us either.

**MariborKev** · 30/04/2013, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by bullit

joke right?

Still waiting for this silver bullet solution you and Maribov have?

At what point did I say it was a silver bullet?

I merely questioned if LOI clubs had a proper assessment of the media value of their exposure and were they including this in negotiations with sponsors, in order to offset the loss of revenue from falling gates due to TV against sponsorship values.