Future Shels Stadium

**A face** · 20/09/2004, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by green army

when they have the smallest fan base in dublin

The thing here is that Shels have some ambition and want to build a fanbase.

Totally agree with Caolans point ... sharing grounds to improve facilities is a logical way to go.

Shels should avoid playing anywhere with a running track !! If they wanna build a fans base then a running track is the last thing they should have.

**Shelsman** · 20/09/2004, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Totally agree with Caolans point ... sharing grounds to improve facilities is a logical way to go.

Shels should avoid playing anywhere with a running track !! If they wanna build a fans base then a running track is the last thing they should have.

Sharing grounds is only a runner if the clubs are nearby e.g. Bohs and Shels. For Dundalk and Drogheda to share would be insane as would any other such shares in the country.

I agree completely about avoiding a running track as it spoils the atmosphere, however, if the first set of seats were say 10 or 12ft high then they could have temporary seats over the running track for big games ( although obviously not a runner for European games )...hmm...now that I think of it, feck the running track altogether.

**Shelsman** · 20/09/2004, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by GalwayFrancis

tolka has an inadequite supply of everything.......parking,floodlights,pitch size, changing room size...everything
has to be a new stadium...a joint venture with bohs would be good!!

Plenty of water though!

**Slash/ED** · 20/09/2004, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by A face

The thing here is that Shels have some ambition and want to build a fanbase.

That's exactly it, it's all about progressing. It's daft saying Shels have a small fan base when there's a city of over one million people out there to tap into.

**thejollyrodger** · 25/09/2004, 10:58 AM

I read in the newspaper this week that Fenlon said Shels are looking for a new site for a stadium and hope to have one by the end of the year. I hope they are talking to the FAI/Abbotstown about this.

**A face** · 25/09/2004, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I read in the newspaper this week that Fenlon said Shels are looking for a new site for a stadium and hope to have one by the end of the year. I hope they are talking to the FAI/Abbotstown about this.

What paper was that ?? .... Can you post up the article ??

**Sonic** · 25/09/2004, 7:02 PM

I think it was The Sun

**Ringo** · 26/09/2004, 6:07 AM

I think Shels could be in trouble on this one. AFAIK they only have a lease on Tolka from DCC. As a rate payer in Dublin, i would object to them getting anything out of Tolka. The land belongs to the people of Dublin. If its worth millions, then its worth millions to to the people of Dublin. If they give money to Shels, then they would have to to do the same for all soccer clubs in Dublin, at every level. In the commercial world, Shels would have to buy themselves out of the lease.

**A face** · 26/09/2004, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ringo

I think Shels could be in trouble on this one. AFAIK they only have a lease on Tolka from DCC. As a rate payer in Dublin, i would object to them getting anything out of Tolka. The land belongs to the people of Dublin. If its worth millions, then its worth millions to to the people of Dublin. If they give money to Shels, then they would have to to do the same for all soccer clubs in Dublin, at every level. In the commercial world, Shels would have to buy themselves out of the lease.

But because Shels have the lease, then surely they stand to benefit from it to some degree.

**Ringo** · 26/09/2004, 7:27 PM

it could be seen as a disadvantage. if they want to move they have to pay the rent due for the rest of the life of the lease. It depends on who is doing the negotiations. If DCC wanted to be difficult, they could insist on Shels abiding by the terms of the lease. They could then allow Shels to surrender their lease for a payment from Shels to DCC. Why should Shels get money from DCC to build a new stadium & someone like Rovers get no money for theirs.

**thejollyrodger** · 26/09/2004, 8:08 PM

I read it on either RTE, the Irish Independent or the Irish Times.

I dont know exactly what the story is with who owns what but its unlikely that Shels will be done any favours by D.C.C.

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way

**A face** · 27/09/2004, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way

One of my mates found a 3D cad disk (Navis ???) recently, and in one of the libraries of the programme was eircom Park ...... ambitious ... yes ..... the way to go ..... most definitely !! The thing was sweet.
Just saying that i hope any of this doesn't turn out to be a fiasco again. Tallaght is a prime example.
In fact ..... it is mad that Shels are going to build another stadium and there is one already waiting to be finished. It is all a bit too Irish really.

**higgins** · 27/09/2004, 4:20 AM

In fact ..... it is mad that Shels are going to build another stadium and there is one already waiting to be finished. It is all a bit too Irish really.

What in gods name are you on about????

I propose that all clubs play out of the one stadium!!!

Just because 1 club cant build a stadium doesnt mean another club should move into it??
Are you taking the **** here?

name a few good reasons why shels should move to tallaght?

**Ringo** · 27/09/2004, 5:15 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way

Can't get land at Abbotstown , unless its offered to all clubs. The land is government land.

**thejollyrodger** · 27/09/2004, 8:20 AM

The FAI has land out there to build a small stadium or at least has a firm understanding with the government that they can build out there. Thats where they are putting the new HQ as well.

It might not be pratical for Shels and say Bohs to go on a joint venture with the FAI as it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

Anyway one of the main points is to build a stadium that E.L teams can play future European games at home proper. Eircom park would be far too big.

**Bald Student** · 27/09/2004, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

I don't agree with this "if you build it they will come" idea. I've never known either Tolka or Dalymount to be sold out for a Shels / Bohs match so there is no pressure there to build a new stadium for want of capacity. Simply building a new stadium doesn't lead to more support.

**Ringo** · 27/09/2004, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

The FAI has land out there to build a small stadium or at least has a firm understanding with the government that they can build out there. Thats where they are putting the new HQ as well.

It might not be pratical for Shels and say Bohs to go on a joint venture with the FAI as it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

Anyway one of the main points is to build a stadium that E.L teams can play future European games at home proper. Eircom park would be far too big.

If they had of just built, eircom park, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. All teams in ireland would be entitled to apply for land at Abbottstown, not just Shels/Bohs. i agree with the point, if shels can't get 1,500 at a game a new stadium is a waste for them.

**A face** · 27/09/2004, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by higgins

What in gods name are you on about????

A ground share is what i am on about ....... why is that so hard for you to understand.

Both clubs are on the northside.
Tallaght is on the northside.
Common denominator ..... the f�cking northside.

Does it really sound that strange to suggest something like that.

I propose that all clubs play out of the one stadium!!!

Now .... what i gods name are you on about ?? you f�cking balm-pot, get a hold of yourself.

Just because 1 club cant build a stadium doesnt mean another club should move into it??

I know i didn't state alot of what was completely f�cking obvious, leaving it up to your good self to work out, but that was not the reason that i was suggesting.

Are you taking the **** here?

No ... but i most definitely am asking the same of you !!!

name a few good reasons why shels should move to tallaght?

Well ... we have established the whole northside thing.
there is a stadium that is half way through completion, and another club want to start building another one, putting the club under huge financial pressure. If both clubs work things out ... you could have a state of the art stadium that they both could share.

I am not saying it has to be like that ....... but what i am saying, if people could drop the politics/b�llsh�t and realise the possibility and understand that the obstacles they believe are in their way could be overcome with a small bit of vision and a progressive attitude, there could be a stadium to actually write f�cking home about.

I just so you know ...... i know it is a big ask !!