U15 vs Juventus

[ArdeeBhoy]

But still room for Almunia.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well it's only a few years since Amendment 27 was passed. As unjust as I think it is, it would be foolish to deny there is a strong element of ethnic exclusion in mainstream Ireland's concept of Irishness.

Agreed. Having mixed race in my family, I'd like to think this wouldn't happen now. Was it that orifice McDowell who was behind all this originally?

[Charlie Darwin]

I think it was FF actually, as far as I remember it was a grassroots veiled racism movement. McDowell loved deporting people but generally he was more liberal than the rest.

But still room for Almunia.

Call him up Trap!

[DannyInvincible]

But it is restricted along ethnic lines because those without Irish or British parents are denied automatic citizenship. We are an inclusive country in the main but we shouldn't think of ourselves as being without fault.

Like I said, it isn't automatically conferred by virtue of birth in Ireland, but it's still open to them upon the fulfillment of other specified obligations. It's not purely civic, I admit, but isn't our nationality law in line with most other European states with regard to those born in Ireland needing to satisfy criteria other than birth alone in order for citizenship to be granted? That's not to say the nationality laws of other European states don't feature ethnic-based criteria either, or that such criteria are ideal.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Almunia wouldn't be eligible, but maybe the North could claim him. They seem to like their 'foreign' keepers...

[Charlie Darwin]

Like I said, it isn't automatically conferred by virtue of birth in Ireland, but it's still open to them upon the fulfillment of other specified obligations. It's not purely civic, I admit, but isn't our nationality law in line with most other European states with regard to those born in Ireland needing to satisfy criteria other than birth alone in order for citizenship to be granted? That's not to say the nationality laws of other European states don't feature ethnic-based criteria either, or that such criteria are ideal.

Well we are in line with other European countries, but do you not think other European countries have a slightly chequered history with regard to racial purity? Ireland's revised citizenship criteria was drawn up primarily to exclude some Africans - that wasn't even debated at the time.

Almunia wouldn't be eligible, but maybe the North could claim him. They seem to like their 'foreign' keepers...

I'm sure we could find a way to make him eligible, filthy beggars that we are.

[DannyInvincible]

Well we are in line with other European countries, but do you not think other European countries have a slightly chequered history with regard to racial purity? Ireland's revised citizenship criteria was drawn up primarily to exclude some Africans - that wasn't even debated at the time.

I don't disagree with you. I wasn't necessarily saying they're perfect either or amount to what we ought to be striving to conform. I thought it better to edit my post and add that final proviso.

[ArdeeBhoy]

CD, back on form with that last post...

[Stuttgart88]

Jean Yves Apple is surely a superstar in the making.

Being Irish he should change his name to Pomme de Terre.

What's Italian for Juventus youths?

Anyway, Danny, I think it's article 18.1(a)

[DannyInvincible]

Are the 2012 statutes out of currency already? Turnover-rate like FIFA's video games, maybe...

[geysir]

Is he not being used as an example of best practice/how youngsters should be brought into the squads?

Yes he is, I misunderstood that bit of the article and thought he was being used an example of how not to do things with the new Irish.
Sometimes I add to the confusion.

[geysir]

Call him up Trap!

This one is beginning to grate like the "in the hole" shouts, just after a golfer has teed off at a par 5.

[BonnieShels]

Lordy.



So who are the "indigenous Irish" exactly? Pure-blood Gaels? Is Ryder a surname of Gaelic origin?

The democratic process is the public consultative process where Irish citizens can have their say on social policy. If there was a popular will for exclusion based on ethnicity from Ireland's civic conception of nationality, I'm sure we'd see the effects of it in democratic decision and policy-making. Thankfully, however, the reality is that such xenophobic views are minority fringe views. The vast majority of Irish people will either have no issue with such a story as this or will see it as overwhelmingly positive and culturally enriching.

Was that a comment at the bottom of the article?

Can't access it.

[ArdeeBhoy]

See my link on the first page, BS.

[BonnieShels]

Being Irish he should change his name to Pomme de Terre.

Or Barre Mars en friture?

What's Italian for Juventus youths?

This I like. Well played sir.

Anyway, Danny, I think it's article 18.1(a)

A pretender to Danny's throne has a arisen.

[BonnieShels]

See my link on the first page, BS.

So the answer is yes.

I had read the article earlier and didn't want to wade through a (potential) rake of misinfomed gibber.

I was wondering if it was from OWC ya see.

Cheers though.

Yer man's a gas!

Also AB, be careful referring to the 'North'. People may start thinking you've been converted.

[DannyInvincible]

A pretender to Danny's throne has a arisen.

Hold on there. I can't find any 2013 update of the statutes. The regulation concerned is 8.1(a) in the 2012 version. Stutts?

[geysir]

So the answer is yes.

I had read the article earlier and didn't want to wade through a (potential) rake of misinfomed gibber.

Are you not the poster who is referred to as BS?

[ArdeeBhoy]

Also AB, be careful referring to the 'North'. People may start thinking you've been converted.

You've lost me...

Sorry.

[BonnieShels]

Are you not the poster who is referred to as BS?

I see what you Did there. always thought my acronym would come back to bite me.

AB, you referred to the North... not the north. And whilst I appreciate some peoples use of capitalized cardinal points in your case it amounts to tacit acceptance.