QuoteHow about if it was a Rangers player?Originally Posted by Bottle of Tonic
That's a pretty outrageous piece of speculation BoT! Is it just a hunch?
It depends on individuals to do the right thing surely and not the Celtic fans as a collective or any other collective really (except the LGBT groups presumably!)
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
How about if it was a Rangers player?
He was referring to SPL players.
Well, which is it?
I didn't mean to target Celtic specifically. I was referring to the general stigma that pervades football. As well-behaved as Celtic's fanbase might be - although some would dispute that - it would be naive to think that the fanbase, or at least elements within it, would be immune to harbouring homophobic sentiment. Have you ever witnessed anyone being hauled out of their seat before for any perceived transgression of supporter etiquette, not necessarily of a homophobic nature?
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 20/02/2013 at 10:01 AM.
Now now. Us foot.iers pride ourselves on discussion.
Alright dude. As you can see am an infrequent poster here and forget that any misplaced or slightly over-zealous syllable on foot is seized upon!!
General point is the same - Shels wee crowd or not - I imagine it is still fairly common to hear casual homophobic language in football crowds. Probably rampant at certain clubs in England but maybe I am being prejudiced there. Maybe you don't hear it too often around the grounds, but what is the likelihood of someone challenging it if aired? Culture of silence? But football has been making inroads I feel these last couple of years. Hopefully see some positive change soon. But hopefully nothing like the racism/handshake furore of last season in England which was just such a hachet job IMO.
The more likely scenario is that you'll hear a player being called a "faggot". I've yet to hear anyone shout that from the stands at any of the games I've ever been at.
B****x and c**t are the only ones that get a regular airing from the crowd and from me.
I don't think I would challenge anyone at a football ground for the use of homophobic language. Self-preservation is a skill I hold dear. And should someone be heading down that road I can't imagine a righteous admonishment is exactly what they'd want to hear.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Homophobia isn't something heterosexuals will witness or experience every day. Why would it be? There's little reason why heterosexuals, or apparent heterosexuals, would be subjected to it, unless they exhibit campness or "gay traits"; then, they're "fair game". Homophobia is still rife throughout society, although tolerance is undeniably more widespread than in the past, so it would be rather fanciful to claim that it is non-existent in football, a known haven for such sentiment.
Only yesterday, I witnessed two male students crossing Oxford Road here in Manchester (a supposed diverse and cosmopolitan city with its own gay village) holding hands. A passing veiled woman crossing in the opposite direction actually stopped in the middle of the road to subject them to verbal abuse and ridicule.
I see this in the local student newspaper then today: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ef=mostpopular
I've also seen belligerent homophobia in action at home. The Bound for Boston pub in Derry's Waterloo Street, often viewed as being frequented by more open-minded or alternative types (or so I thought), although not a defined/advertised gay bar or anything, had just cleared out after closing time one night a few years ago and, as usual for a busy weekend night, the revellers congregated on the street outside engaging in drunken chat and banter amongst themselves before heading for taxis home. After a while, roars and shouts of disgust erupted as it became apparent to all that two young males who'd been in the bar were leaning against a parked car kissing one another in full view of the gazing crowd; the horror! Not only was nasty verbal abuse directed at them, but even glass bottles were fired in their direction. Luckily, none made a connection. However, people seemed more shocked by the kiss they had just witnessed than the response of some outraged neanderthals in the crowd. I thought that was quite telling.A student paper is at the centre of a row over ethical standards after publishing a secret recording of what appears to be homophobic comments made by a student society member.
The Mancunion student newspaper has been criticised by both Manchester University's Student Union (MUSU) and the chair of the global aspirations of women's society, whose meeting was 'covertly' filmed.
The student paper published extracts from a recording made by first year student Colin Cortbus, who attended the society's public meeting on Wednesday.
The Middle Eastern studies undergraduate asked a member of the society whether, “in the Islamic society in which you strive for,” they would “feel comfortable, personally and morally, to kill a gay man".
According to the Mancunion, a female student replied: "Absolutely," and described homosexuality as an "atrocity, because it goes against what God says".
Just because homophobes aren't walking the streets with picket signs warning society that "God hates fags!" doesn't mean such hatred is non-existent. Homophobia is a mentality and it will manifest itself when an opportunity arises. If personal experiences of football kid us into thinking that homophobia isn't a problem in the game, it's probably down to the fact that direct or concerted homophobia hasn't really been afforded such an opportunity in the absence of a constant or recognisable target in football.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 21/02/2013 at 10:36 AM.
Came across this story earlier: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...l-striker.html
He may not have named the player, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of clamour and speculation as to who the player concerned is. I find myself agreeing with the sentiment of this comment that followed the story:King of Bling councillor: ‘I had sex with an Arsenal striker’
A COUNCILLOR who was once the highest-paid in the UK has made the startling claim — that he slept with an Arsenal footballer.
Brian Coleman, who calls himself the 'King of Bling', made the bizarre revelation about his sex life in a blog post.
The openly gay councillor refused to give any hint as to the player’s identity from the Premiership team, other than saying he was a striker.
Mr Coleman, 51, used to be the mayor of Barnet in North London and now serves as an independent on the Council.
His unusual claim last week appeared in a unrelated posting on Barnet FC's plans to move stadiums.
He wrote: “For someone who has little interest in Football, although I did attend Barnet v Port Vale at Underhill a couple of years ago, and once slept with an Arsenal striker, I am not fussed if Barnet survive in the Football League or bothered where they play.”
It is unclear when the alleged incident took place or who the footballer was.
How classless. My sexuality is in no way any secret but I would never do or say anything that might lead to someone being outed when they clearly wouldn't want to be. He should be ashamed of himself!
Well at least it's not a former central defender or left-back... that would have been a shock to my core.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Or indeed a former winger. I wonder how he knows nothing about football but knows this guy is a striker.
It remains to be seen whether the player concerned will be "outed", but I do find the councillor's claim about a private experience he shared with another individual a rather cheap and crass exercise in self-publicisation.
I guess the saying "If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas" has never been more apt.
That begs a number of tasteless jokes which clearly I'm above.
Who's thinking of Bendtner?
*Gets coat and leaves thread in shame...*
If it's Henry and he comes out, I'm going to have a very hard time reconciling the fact that he'll have made a huge step forward for homosexuals everywhere, and the fact that he still is, and always will be, un putain de tricheur!
balls to hand or hand to balls?
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Well, I'd say it's tasteless homophobic 'humour'. Apparently it doesn't take much to inspire that sort of thing or for that matter it doesn't take much for a thread on homophobia in football to degenerate to this schoolboy level.
It would bother me if you thought I was being anything other than tongue-in-cheek with my remark, as I hold your opinions in high regard on this forum. To clarify, there's tasteless homophobic "humour" (homophobia) and there's "tasteless homophobic" humour (irony/satire), which highlights, or at least aspires to highlight, the idle inanity of such so-called humour and the silliness of homophobia itself (not to trivialise it either). I'd like to think my comment, if you were including it as fundamental to the "degeneration", could be interpreted as being of the latter form. I've made my serious position on the matter very clear and could talk plenty more on it. It's possible to miss the point through over-sensitivity. In my humble opinion.
I wonder did the councillor play deep in the hole behind the striker, or did he prefer to spray balls around the place.
Which humour is that, Danny?
You mean that you were delving into a subtle brand of satire that actually mocks the attitudes of people who would makes silly attempts at gay sex humour/identity speculation. And you would like that on record? Yes Danny, I can differentiate between good satire comedy, one that provokes people to laugh at the stupidity of their own prejudices and other humour which is just sexist etc.It would bother me if you thought I was being anything other than tongue-in-cheek with my remark, as I hold your opinions in high regard on this forum. To clarify, there's tasteless homophobic "humour" (homophobia) and there's "tasteless homophobic" humour (irony/satire), which highlights, or at least aspires to highlight, the idle inanity of such so-called humour and the silliness of homophobia itself (not to trivialise it either). I'd like to think my comment, if you were including it as fundamental to the "degeneration", could be interpreted as being of the latter form. I've made my serious position on the matter very clear and could talk plenty more on it. It's possible to miss the point through over-sensitivity. In my humble opinion.
I read the article you posted and shared the same opinion as you about the councillor ("cheap and crass exercise in self-publicisation").
I won't take you literally, so I'd interpret it as being a mixture of mocking satire and playing devil's advocate.
Chris Morris is one of my favourite comedians/satirists, but if his words/creations are to be taken literally, he might as well be a reactionary lunatic. I won't claim my comment was the most cutting of attempts at satire - it was a one-liner on a football forum - but I'd be disquieted if it was perceived as an expression of degenerate homophobia.
What of Oliver Callan's humour?: http://www.independent.ie/woman/cele...-26787300.html
To be honest, Galvin's inability to laugh it off and, instead, getting so defensive in reaction to an obvious gag would strike me as being indicative of a "more homophobic" attitude than Callan's comedy if there was a scale for measuring such sentiment.Comedian Oliver Callan sensationally defended himself against accusations of homophobia last night by revealing that in fact he is gay himself.
The Monaghan comedian and mimic, star of the hugely successful satirical show Green Tea, went on RTE's Saturday Night Show last night to set a few things straight about the ongoing controversy over his feud with Kerry GAA star and fashion guru Paul Galvin.
The pair hit the headlines 10 days ago when Galvin and Callan were involved in an altercation in the Dublin pub Kehoe's.
In his first ever interview as himself, Callan said on The Saturday Night Show that he had been bemused by some people implying that his caricaturing of Galvin and others, including David Norris and Louis Walsh, meant that he was some kind of hate-filled homophobe.
So he decided it was time to come out about one aspect of his private life and tell people that he is gay.
Callan said he didn't think his sexual orientation was a big deal and didn't really think people should have to "come out" in this day and age.
He joked that he knew he was gay from an early age because, growing up in Monaghan, he was late learning to drive a tractor.
GAA star Galvin's unhappiness with Callan was originally thought to be connected with sketches on Callan's hugely popular RTE radio show Green Tea regarding Galvin's alleged relationship with TV star Grainne Seoige.
However, the Sunday Independent revealed that Galvin had in fact taken offence before the summer to Callan making a camp joke about Galvin on The Saturday Night Show.
In March, playing David Norris, Oliver joked that Galvin was Norris's stylist and that the reason Galvin was such a fashion expert was because of all Galvin's years spent in the closet.
Galvin apparently contacted a staff member on The Saturday Night Show at the time to say that having to sit on the couch with his parents, watching Oliver's routine made for the most excruciating night of his life.
The hugely successful Callan, who came to fame with his Nob Nation sketches on the late Gerry Ryan's show, has also been criticised in the past for his camp portrayal of David Norris.
He also revealed last night that David Norris had told him he loved his impression.
Louis Walsh is also a big fan of his portrayal. Callan's answer to the odd critic who called him homophobic is quite simple: He's not homophobic. He's gay.
Callan revealed that the first person he came out to was his best friend and the producer of Green Tea, who is, he said, a roaring heterosexual. While the producer was initially concerned about losing his wing man, Callan said that in fact, a gay guy is a great wing man for a straight guy.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 23/02/2013 at 2:38 PM.
I think the point here is that gay people have a sense of humour too and unless the attempt at humour is execptionally distasteful or offensive then it shouldn't be taken all too seriously. There are victims to every joke and there are plenty of offensive jokes out there. I have a number of gay friends and acquaintances, two of whom I consider amongst my best friends, and I know that they would laugh at or off the jokes on here and most gay jokes in fact. The interesting part in this particular side debate is the assumption that all gay jokes are homophobic and, I presume, the resulting implication that gay people won't find gay jokes in anyway funny.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
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