It seems to be just a Rovers-Longford thing, mainly in Tolka or Richmond as well, a coincidence I think. Ferguson, for a "thug", has been doing well not to be even booked in the last twelve games..
Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.
yeah dead right there DE TOWN mush is exactly what it has been.Originally Posted by DE TOWN
DirtyI wouldn't exactly call us dirty. OK, Barry might go in a bit hard now and then but I definately wouldn't call us dirty. We play 3 times as mush football as ye do when were both playing well.
Funny Manyeah dead right there DE TOWN mush is exactly what it has been.
This is one of the good threads that has been posted, as it invites us (god forbid) to use our judgement rather than reach into the murky areas of our vocabulary to find suitable insults for the players / refs / linesmen / players who are under scrutiny. Managers are soooooo different when it comes to making judgements.
How do you rate a manager fairly? There is no single measure. Results alone are no good. Players can perform below par in a crucial game or two, and your season is gone west. Transfer market? Not likely. All you need is buy one donkey and all your good transfers are forgotten. Media presence? Puh-lease. How you come over in the press, radio and TV is largely dependent on who is favoured by the powers-that-be in the broadcast and print media, and who their pets are.
Which brings me to Pat Fenlon. It makes me feel kinda dirty to say this, but I think he is the business. Much as I like Pat Dolan, and believe in his approach to Cork City, Fenlon has it all. Next Thursday Shels play Lille at Lansdowne Road. I do not think it will be a 24,000 sell out game like Depo, but the crowd will be there to witness another chapter in the 2004 legend of Irish soccer success in Europe.
Injustice anywhere threatens justice everywhere - Martin Luther King Jnr.
Yep, Fenlon has it all, including the Budget. I'm not saying he isn't a good manager, but being able to pay the best wages in the league is surely a big advantage. For my money the best job in the league over the past few years, taking resources into account was probably Stephen Kenny at Longford (They've had more cash since Matthews took over). Of the rest of the current bunch Doolin did well at UCD, and is also impressive at Drogheda. I'm amazed Bohs didn't bust a gut trying to get him instead of gambling heavily on Farrelly. I also must put a word in for John McDonnell, who has done a steady job at Pats since he came in, considering the mess left by the previous incumbent. If the financial situation improves at Richmond I'd have high hopes for him getting us back up to the business end of the table.
I actually never even knew Bray had a name for being a dirty team ? anyone enlighten me on this ?
Fenlon and Doolin must take most credit this year i reckon, and so should Dolan for europe - but in saying that i think he has under preformed in the league and cup by a long way, for the players that he has, Cork are muck ! they should be really challanging Shels and Drogs for the title IMO
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Whatever about Drogheda, Doolin did NOT do a good job at UCD. Fell out with players, whined about the job, got us relegated just three years after we'd been in Europe. I'd honestly be interested (seriously) why you think he did a good job with us.
I think people forget how poorly he did with UCD because of the success he is currently having at Drogheda. Mahon has turned the UCD team around after the mess that was left but Doolin is doing very well at the moment at Drogheda, if it continues is the question?
I think the reason people think he done a great job with ucd is cos of the season before ye got relegated. he turned them round when all was lost (about 15 points adrift) and comfortably survived, only for the club to sell half his team, so he had to start all over.
We were only ever six points behind that year. And the club didn't sell half the team. We lost about five players in total that year. One had fallen out with Doolin (Robbie Doyle). One went to West Ham (Clive Delaney), so you couldn't do anything about that. One went to Rovers after seven years at UCD (Baz Ryan) - again, that's life. Two others weren't getting their game anyway (Greg O'Dowd and Richie Purdy). And that's about it. The manager gets full say as to who stays and goes at the end of the year, so nothing was done above his head and to say otherwise with no evidence is ridiculous. The club strucure is such that we always have quality youngsters coming through anyway, so losing players isn't a huge blow, but of course Doolin ignored that structure. He's unfortunately gotten a knack for spouting rubbish to the press which is subsequently taken as truth.
Another candidate is yer man Healy at Harps though - don't think he's lost a league game yet!
How about the fact that Cork City always had far better players than UCD, but Doolin always managed to put out a team that was organised, effective and horrible for us to play against. City always struggled against them.
I hated those games.
not saying any rights or wrongs about it, but the impression that was given was the opposite. the person the media always interviews was the manager, and at the time doolin was complaining about a lot within ucd.
anyway, should be fun next season, when we play ucd after the words in the press today
Serious war of words between Doolin and Mahon in todays papers.
16 league games unbeaten! He is winning over a lot of us doubters!He also told derry where to go!
I think Pat Dolan is the best....AND the worst !
Don O'Riordan is by far and away the worst , he blew one of the first divisons biggest budgets and ended up finishing 6th , the all time classic line has to be "go tell the samba band to start playing again" during a cup tie with galway a few years back.
Enough of the past tense, City still struggle in Belfield.
Fair point, but I think after today, anything Doolin says should be treated as complete horseshít! The amount of out-and-out lies in that piece was remarkable!
Youz did comfortably win the first two games against us last season, though, and could have won in Belfield with ten men. Doolin was good at sticking ten men behind the ball, but not much more (look at the number of goals we scored in the last two seasons - way less than one a game). Mahon has done the same defensively, but has added an extra attacking dimension now. Plus, the fact that Cork haven't had a decent manager since Dave Barry (in my opinion!!!) has a hell of a lot to do with it as well.
Which is why I'll be hoping that 3 of Bray/Harps/Kildare/Galway manage to get promoted this year.
I think you're right about that, as misguided as it is. The team we had that season was brilliant. The second half of the season was what it was capable of and there's no way that we should have been anywhere near the bottom of the table at any stage that year.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
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