N. Ireland Support last night

[green goblin]

Well,they were fighting amongst themselves,a la the Welsh .....maybe Edward/Frank Carson was right..........

Divide and conquer, mate. Ever the way of the tyannt.

[Lionel Ritchie]

To the original poster of this thread. Were you in Basle on Wednesday, where the terrific Irish away support sang for the full 90 minutes. the Swiss fans only chanted twice in the whole game. Brian Kerr should be worrying about his tactics rather than how the Swiss fans are signing.

I'm just quoting the man coz that bit's worth repeating!!!!!

We need more like our away support at Landsdowne. Tell the FAI to f*** off with their corporate boxes and "revenue streams" and get actual fans back into the games.

[Plastic Paddy]

In all honesty I think 'real' fans is a bit of a difficult thing to classify. I mean I've only been to one Ireland game-but I'm 16 and stuck in England.....however I've been to every Ireland gam I;ve had the CHANCE to go to (one) and sung my heart out there
So am I less of a fan than people who follow the team round the world... just saying it's not all that black and white.

I absolutely agree. One cuts one's cloth to suit one's means.

Me? I still love watching football, and these days go whenever I can afford to. At the moment though, I've plenty of things better deserving of my limited time and money than physically attending every time my club or country play. And besides, I've served my time. If that makes me a barstooler in the eyes of "real" fans, then so be it. Whatever. All it actually means is that, for whatever reason, I have to prioritise other things ahead of football.

But those are my choices. Consequently, I'll not be judgemental about those who can and do choose to attend every game, nor the quality of the support that they provide, just as I'd ask them not to be judgemental about me.

PP

[Bowsy]

Whole idea of "real fans" is a bit tiresome. I've attended more games than you blah, blah, blah. Everyone has to attend their first game sometime and there's no difference for me between Liam starting out and someone who has been about for a dozen of campaigns. I personally will miss attending most of this qualifying campaign as I just can't afford to do it. Anyone who thinks that makes me less of a fan can have their opinion. A real fan is simply someone who gives it socks and gets behind the lads for 90 minutes when they are there - nothing more. Anyone tells you you're less of fan Liam is a muppet and they're comments are of no consequence.

[blobbyblob]

Whole idea of "real fans" is a bit tiresome. I've attended more games than you blah, blah, blah. Everyone has to attend their first game sometime and there's no difference for me between Liam starting out and someone who has been about for a dozen of campaigns. I personally will miss attending most of this qualifying campaign as I just can't afford to do it. Anyone who thinks that makes me less of a fan can have there opinion. A real fan is simply someone who gives it socks and gets behind the lads for 90 minutes when they are there - nothing more. Anyone tells you're less of fan Liam is a muppet and they're comments are of no consequence.

Well said. Comes back down to the fact that some people think they have a devine right to lecture and "support".

[Lux Interior]

Described by the Valley Rams (not Soul Crew!) as, and I quote, "the worst fans ever to set foot in Cardiff" If you don't know what happened at the Prince of Wales and O'Neills then don't comment.

As for City and the Jacks, that's a regular occurence at Wales games when the Swansea loyal venture into the capital.

KOH

Hmmmn, ALL the Welsh lads I spoke to (including three gobsmacked Soul Crew, who gave me the lowdown on what EXACTLY happened at PoW) said this was the Best. Away. Support. Ever!

Now this looks like a truth you appear to be unwilling to swallow.

Anyway, the opinions of yesterday's men like you and Dev will do very little to turn the rise and rise of our supporter stock.

Respect to the other lads on here for acknowledging the painful, but giant, steps taken since 'Lennon'.

[liam88]

Anyone tells you you're less of fan Liam is a muppet and they're comments are of no consequence.

Cheers Bowsy, and PP, fair play to ya lads-ya both summed it up great

[WeAreRovers]

Hmmmn, ALL the Welsh lads I spoke to (including three gobsmacked Soul Crew, who gave me the lowdown on what EXACTLY happened at PoW) said this was the Best. Away. Support. Ever!

Now this looks like a truth you appear to be unwilling to swallow.

Anyway, the opinions of yesterday's men like you and Dev will do very little to turn the rise and rise of our supporter stock.

Respect to the other lads on here for acknowledging the painful, but giant, steps taken since 'Lennon'.

Anyone that claims to be Soul Crew ain't.

And whatever about the other lads on here, I'm actually a member at Cardiff and whether you like it or not, I know what I'm talking about.

BTW the future is an independent Wales and a United Ireland within Europe.
Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your narrow world view.

See you in Belfast for the return game. We'll have the Crown festooned with St. David's flags and tricolours.

KOH

[Plastic Paddy]

Anyone that claims to be Soul Crew ain't.

And whatever about the other lads on here, I'm actually a member at Cardiff and whether you like it or not, I know what I'm talking about.

Christ, just what this board needs - a resident keyboard hardman. Oh puh-leese. I'm sure you do know what you're talking about. After all, no-one's going to contradict such a well-connected specimen as yourself.

(I've read the book by Tony Rivers and David Jones too, btw. £6.99, most good sports bookshops in the UK.)

BTW the future is an independent Wales and a United Ireland within Europe. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your narrow world view.

Right lads, down the bookies. Millwall, sorry, Milltown's finest hath pronounced the new world order. And if you're not a card-carrying Feenyun or cottage-burner, you may as well pack your bags now.

I think I know whose world view needs correcting. And it's not that of the man from Belfast. Lux's view is different to most here, that's all. Whether you, I or anyone else here disagrees with it, it matters not a jot. Anyway, I thought this was a football board.

See you in Belfast for the return game. We'll have the Crown festooned with St. David's flags and tricolours.

KOH

You won't be watching us play France in Dublin that night then? Are you Irish or Welsh? It's just not very clear anymore...

PP

[nlgbbbblth]

Probably the main contingent of norn ire fans. Something tells me he'll be greeted with a similar reception at Windsor. Still can't work out why .........hmmm..tell you what it could be something to do with his normal day job

"you lot stopping booing Rangers players and we'll stop booing Celtic players"

NI supporter at work yesterday

[the 12 th man]

I absolutely agree. One cuts one's cloth to suit one's means.

Me? I still love watching football, and these days go whenever I can afford to. At the moment though, I've plenty of things better deserving of my limited time and money than physically attending every time my club or country play. And besides, I've served my time. If that makes me a barstooler in the eyes of "real" fans, then so be it. Whatever. All it actually means is that, for whatever reason, I have to prioritise other things ahead of football.

But those are my choices. Consequently, I'll not be judgemental about those who can and do choose to attend every game, nor the quality of the support that they provide, just as I'd ask them not to be judgemental about me.

PP

pp.its called growing up/maturing(turning into an ould fella ,
there comes a time in your life and its just a phase(speaking from my experience) where you have, to whether you like it or not ,take a bit of a break from going to as many matches as you would like........12 th man waits for comments such as i d'ont give a boll0x i still go to every match.

it just depends on your own situation vis a vis family ,work ,money ,etc.

i'm lucky in that my own personal situation is sorting itself out i.e my kids are big enough to allow me a bit of time to go/bring them to matches.

[Duncan Gardner]

And whatever about the other lads on here, I'm actually a member at Cardiff and whether you like it or not, I know what I'm talking about

Eveing all, especially KO'H. Were you in Cardiff, K? If so, sorry I missed you. If not, you know less about the incident discussed than Lux or I. However, I have covered it with my brother. He was much further away from it than me (ie, about 500m rather than 100m), but is inter alia a current member at Cardiff City. Like Lux and I, he doesn't recognise your version of events. Incidentally, if you're going to claim local cachet, why not exaggerate it? You say you're professor of hoolie studies at Valleycommando University, no-one will be arsed to check

Davros. I'll phone you mid-am tomorrow re refereeing.

[Lux Interior]

Anyone that claims to be Soul Crew ain't.

And whatever about the other lads on here, I'm actually a member at Cardiff and whether you like it or not, I know what I'm talking about.

BTW the future is an independent Wales and a United Ireland within Europe.
Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your narrow world view.

See you in Belfast for the return game. We'll have the Crown festooned with St. David's flags and tricolours.

KOH

Sorry, o'numbnuts, but you weren't actually in Cardiff, were you? I was there and spoke to a few lads who were a lot closer - I can assure you - than you, or your "valley mates" (rrrrright?) were, so I DO "know what Im talking about", ok, chucks?

"Narrow world view" ......... Jeezsus, have I just travelled back in time to deepest Munster 1922, where Im surrounded by narrow-minded f.uckmooks?

PS: a word of advice - don't turn up at Whinger Park with yer Ivory Coast favours, ok?

[Lux Interior]

So the Planters' have re-invented themselves,huh ......so you'll welcome the local Indigeneous population wearing Cliftonville & Donegal/Lurgan/Glasgow Celtic tops to games of a 'country' which has never been/will be officially recognised by the U.N....... How do you explain the high no.of T*n shirts in the osc,your fans are always moaning about,on OWB?

Stick to living in the archaic theme park.....most nationalists will rightly never support the osc......before you say this is ' sectarian',for what it's worth I'm a lapsed Prod.....wonder why & I'll always despise its worse excesses!If you're so unbothered by the nationalist constituency,why not ' roll over' & give a united Ireland to the native populace!

Ch***t, but you are one boring, broken long-playing record. Look, Dev, it's like this .... whether "most nationalists" never support the "OSC" is of no concern to me and I think you'll find I, like nearly 1m others, ARE "native populace", who choose to remain outside a jurisdiction which is foreign [to us] ... if these facts stick in your craw ..... well, Im not going to lose any sleep over that.

The "native populace" ..... Cleary on a bike ... but what decade are you living in?

Like I said, your petty border complex meant sweet FA to me, or 5000 others just t'other night.

One island, two teams, two separate aspirations .... is it really that hard to grasp?

[Lux Interior]

Dev, one final word (before I slope off to misty-eyed REM) .... my mate - a rabid Kafflick - was beside me in Cardiff on Weds night. He's Irish (like me) and he was as proud as punch that his country had pulled a unlikely result out of the fire. Im pretty sure another beer and he would've been singing 'da Sash' (Mass at the weekend would have been fun, eh?).

I guess he would despair at some of the whiny feckular nonsense from yourself

[Lux Interior]

Guys, sorry for the politicised posts. I enjoy coming on to 'foot.ie' and enjoy - mostly - the commentaries of all you footy-minded lads (cheers PP).

However, Im staunch Glens and NI and will defend - however tenuously to youse'uns - my right to follow club and country.

To KOH .... lol, you buckweed ... come an' huv a pint up da north, when the 'Soul Crew' roll into sleepy Belfast town (heh mucker, Ive got about 15 numbers) and then you can discuss your ludicrous claims face2face, eh?

Dev, you're NOT invited

[Plastic Paddy]

PP,You're just ano.part-timer ............ the rest of us are 'sad' b*stards,with too much time on our hands

It's called being shackled to a heavy mortgage, Dav. Being a propertied man of W12 don't come cheap any more...

PP

[liam88]

Hope I'm not growing up to fast-in respect to it was last year when I realised there were more important things than football
Still-looking foward to the days when I can go to all the games etc.

[liam88]

Looks like we need to chuck some icy water on this one lads
I do agree with PP on judging people on who they are not what they are-and we all know deep down you do to Dav; ya mate's with Bill because he's a great bloke!
Fao. PP ma brother was a wee put out for you telling him off when he said Tiocfaidh Ar La to ya as ya were leaving for Shepards Bush and the second part of the drenk
He says fair play to Dav though who returned the cry

[Lux Interior]

Good for him ......he wants to take his head out of the sand,or someone's ar*se...... How can he recognise a ' country' that has never existed?

There's a DeLorean with a 'flux capacitor' waiting for you outside, Dev.

I quoted this post to him [my mate] .... and he just laughed his rosary beads of at your ****tery.