QuoteHaha, Beattie had it coming!Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
How come there is never any momentum for hiring a German? I would think many of you would be keen on that.
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
Haha, Beattie had it coming!
exactly. trap is a manager who has guided a team of mid EPL and championship players to a WC playoff and the euros in his two campaigns to date yet many want him gone. there is no point in replacing him unless we get someone better. Pulis is illustrative of the standard of manager that will be in the running post trap and we will be worse off imo.
Well one of the criticisms of Trap is (or was) that he didn't go to enough games in the UK involving Irish players, I can't see this being a problem with Pulis. He already knows a lot about the Premier League including the lower rung teams so he would be starting from a higher base than Trap did 4-5 years ago. If say he still lived in the Stoke area he would be within easy reach of all the midlands clubs and the north west teams in England, so for example it would be very easy for him to watch the likes of Coleman at Everton, Sammon and Hendrick at Derby, Long at WBA, all the Villa and Wolves Irish players, etc.
Another criticism has been his salary being too high, Pulis might be a bit cheaper than Trap, but then again Denis O'Brien might not subsidise the Welshman so the net cost could be the same. I wouldn't be too overjoyed with Pulis myself, but one has to be realistic, I dont think the Irish national team job is going to attract the managers at the very heights of the game, i.e. compared to say the top leagues in Europe or the CL.
It looks like Brian McDermott will sign with Leeds today so the circle of viable candidates is decreasing.
Yes, there are all kind of fans and supporters. The point I was making is that an appointment of Pulis would not remove that section of fans who are against Trap because of the style of football he plays. The appointment would still have that section anti-Pulis ab initio.
There is of course another category of fan you haven't mentioned. Those who support the manager because he has brought the team relative success despite the apparently bizarre decisions and who do not think that the far away hills are always green and who have more often than not found those hills to be a mirage and devoid of any growth.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Just to confirm McDermott has gone to Leeds on a 3 year deal:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...ermott-manager
I don't see him in the running for the Ireland job now nor probably in a just over a year (by which time Trap will definately be gone). I think he is off the list.
I've been thinking about this in the last few days, and was thinking about Trap saying we have no right to expect to compete against Germany and his latest post Austria comment about "not being Germany, not being England". Those two comments are, for me, probably the most irritating and negative thing that he's done thus far. I thought they were disgraceful and stupid things to say. It got me thinking of how we used to play the bigger teams with no fear, even if we've Tommy Coyne up-front against Italy, or a Blackburn Rovers sub on the wing against Holland.
Leafing through a Jonathan Wilson book on the bog there I came across an interview with Slaven Bilic who was describing Miroslav Blazevic's managerial methods. I googled it and found this site:http://false9.blogspot.ie/2011/08/cr...-miroslav.html who have printed the entire quote from Bilic which I loved
I'm not saying Ireland need some madman in charge who just talks up the players, but I do think our next manager needs to have a little bit of that in him. Certainly more than Trap does anyway.He was the ideal coach for us. If you’d given us Capello, Ferguson or Wenger, it wouldn’t have worked. He was everybody’s father, a great motivator.
You would play against, let’s say, Estonia, and you know it’s only Estonia, but he would gradually motivate you. Every day he knew in his head when he was going to create an incident to wake everybody up a bit, then he’d tell us all to go to a nightclub or something. At team meetings he’d be talking about Estonia as though they were ****ing Brazil. You’d know he was lying, you’d know it wasn’t true, but you say, ****, yeah, it’s going to be hard. And he would always say Estonia’s left-back is whoever, and he’d be talking about their players, and he’d be writing their names on a board, and you’d know it was wrong; he’d be saying, like, this guy, he’s so quick, he’s so good, and you’d know when he was talking to you that he’d never seen him in his ****ing life.
Anyway, it would motivate you, but whoever we played against, he always told us we were better than them. So when we played Argentina in the World Cup, he came to me and he said “Son”, because we were always his sons, “Son, you have to come with me and talk to the press.” So, OK, it’s me and him in the press conference. And I know even the twenty-second player in their squad plays for Inter, and everybody else is at AC Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona…all at the best teams, and we have Boban at Milan, but he doesn’t play, and Šuker at Real Madrid, and he doesn’t play. The rest of us were playing in great leagues but not for great teams. So he says to the press, “Argentina, not a bad team, not a bad team, but none of their players play for the best teams in Europe”. So I look at him and say “What the **** are you talking about?” But that’s what he was like. It was all nonsense, but it was great nonsense.
I used to love reading about the Charlton era lads traveling to games on the team bus with rebel songs being blasted out on the ghetto blaster. The team had an identity and a sense of purpose and felt confident playing everyone. I think under Trap they're probably overly respectful of everyone and I think probably the same under Kerr.
I reckon it's going to be McCarthy. I heard he has a clause in his contract allowing him to leave with no compo to Ipswich for the Ireland job.
I've really enjoyed our last two games. We created some excellent scoring chances in both games and I still expect us to just about get second place (Sweden will struggle to beat Kaz away). If we do qualify (as I expect) then what happens to Trapatonni? There are a few scenarios whereby Trapatonni could still be in charge come Euro 2016 Qualifying. Qualifying for the WC and then getting out of the group would change everything. Might look like a long, long shot viewing this from today but the WC usually has 'easier' groups then the Euros. Delaney will go with the flow of course.
Hmm, you want to take up that bet then? Trap has proved himself far too intransigent and resistant to change for us to have much hope. That and the small matter of largely mediocre players.
Admire the optimism, but don't remotely share it. At this stage I'd settle for a close 3rd. Whoever does get second regardless, will be amazed if they negotiate the play-offs successfully.
Noelys Guitar and ArdeeBhoy in... 'Battle of the Extremists'
Hardly. It's just misplaced optimism on the evidence of what we've seen so far in this campaign...
Jesus, Noely's extreme optimism even scared off mypost.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Gas that that was loved by the public then (and now) and promoted and encouraged by an Englishman, whereas now people seem to cringe at Robbie singing rebel songs in pubs or McLean's public displays of his Nationalism. Which is a shame, I think.
Why are Myposts posts always deleted?
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
I wanted Trap gone a long time ago. The worst game for me (before the Euro finals)was the Slovakia game away when we drew 1-1. We settled for a draw against mediocre team missing all of their top players. The lack of ambition and the continuing mistakes by players like Given and Whelan was really ****ing me off. The Euro shambles followed and then the hammering by Germany should have seen Trap out the door. But we all know what transpired. Trap gets a new lease of Irish managerial life. Starts playing most of our best players. Wilson, Coleman, McCarthy, Long and McClean are all reasonable players. And we have a real go in two games against Sweden and Austria. In fact we were the better team in both games. And there is nothing on the horizon that suggests we won't continue to be better than Sweden and Austria come the games later in the year. If we continue to play with the same energy/invention we showed in the last two games then we can get the runner up spot.
Cor, 'energy/invention' is stretching it. Better and some limited signs for optimism is as much positive gloss as I can put on there.
Remember when I told you Armenia would beat Slovakia AB. They actually went on to hammer them. Sweden are not a good enough team to get 3 points in Kazakhstan.
He will get a new contract.
What of those "disgraceful and stupid things" are wrong?
Against Holland, we had Bonner, McGrath, Keane, Houghton, Aldo. We don't have that quality today, and by rights we should be fighting it out for 4th spot, rather than going to tournaments and holding our own in the fight for playoff places, where Trap has got us.
On the "evidence" so far, we were apparantly going to struggle to beat the puffins and get destroyed 0-5 in Sweden, whereas the evidence that counts is on the table.
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