Trap Out and/or Delaney Out

**Stuttgart88** · 03/04/2013, 12:46 PM

How (not) to pick a new manager

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...nager-research

**OwlsFan** · 03/04/2013, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

I don't think anyone (bar Dunphy maybe) thinks Hoolahan is our would-be saviour, but any fool could see that the players were tiring after about 70 minutes and we were retreating and letting the Austrians come back into the game too easily. In such a situation, I imagine most managers would think "maybe I can bring someone on to freshen things up and keep hold of the ball in midfield a little bit better, ease the pressure on us". Hoolahan is the best equipped to do that and he was on the bench. If Trap called him up, he obviously thinks he can do something for the team. Yet, the thing which so needed to be done, was left undone, Wes stayed on the bench and the Austrian pressure eventually paid off for them.

Didn't he bring on Hoolahan against Sweden who created a very similar chance with the last shot of the game. Pressure almost paid off for them as well except they fluffed it, Austria scored. And all that with Hoolahan on the pitch.

**Stuttgart88** · 03/04/2013, 3:52 PM

Objection!

Keogh gave away a totally dumb (I mean really really really thick) free kick which led to Sweden's chance. The defence then got caught under a high ball.

Totally unfair to blame Hoolahan.

**OwlsFan** · 03/04/2013, 5:03 PM

Overruled!

I am not blaming Hoolahan. My point is that there is a huge ground swell of opinion that IF Hoolahan was on the pitch, we wouldn't have given up that chance in the 92nd minute. He was on the pitch against Sweden. We gave up a chance even if it was Keogh's fault. The team was in such a nervous state at that stage he would have been running around like a blue ars*d fly trying to get hold of the ball.

But we'll never know...

**SkStu** · 03/04/2013, 5:07 PM

That's not really what's being said. More that it is more likely that with Wes on the pitch we would have been able to retain the ball a bit better and would have been more likely to slow the game down and see it out. Well always give up chances, its about keeping the ball long enough to reduce the amount of chances you give up.

**Closed Account 2** · 03/04/2013, 5:10 PM

Reports on the radio that McLeish is after the Ireland job once Trap goes...

**Charlie Darwin** · 03/04/2013, 5:12 PM

Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

Reports on the radio that McLeish is after the Ireland job once Trap goes...

Trap in!

**paul_oshea** · 03/04/2013, 5:17 PM

This article might be better suited to the eligibility thread. CTP sent it onto me, got me annoyed again about the Austria result...

http://www.irishpost.co.uk/news/am-i...ation-question

**ArdeeBhoy** · 03/04/2013, 5:24 PM

Let's hope he hangs on for another decade then...if he's the alternative.

**Crosby87** · 04/04/2013, 11:39 AM

Article about Marty replacing Trap:
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/sp...201227961.html

**tetsujin1979** · 04/04/2013, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Crosby87

Article about Marty replacing Trap:
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/sp...201227961.html

more about Di Canio replacing O'Neill than Trapattoni

**DeLorean** · 04/04/2013, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cathal Dervan

The draw with Austria – when luck ran out finally for our lucky manager Giovanni Trapattoni – means the World Cup is already a foregone conclusion for this Irish team – with the emphasis on the gone part of foregone!

No matter how much Trapattoni and his players pretend it will all come down to the autumn games against Sweden and Austria, we will not be going to Brazil next year.

We might get to the playoffs, by a miracle, but that is as much as Ireland’s fans can hope for now as long as Trapattoni stays in charge.

If we do get to the playoffs we'll obviously picked up a couple of decent results, so I'm not sure how anybody could totally rule out qualification at that point. Talk about covering himself just in case we happen to make the top two. Terrible article overall anyway.

**BonnieShels** · 04/04/2013, 2:28 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

If we do get to the playoffs we'll obviously picked up a couple of decent results, so I'm not sure how anybody could totally rule out qualification at that point. Talk about covering himself just in case we happen to make the top two. Terrible article overall anyway.

The aftermath of the Austria game has given me the clarification that there is more informed discussion on Foot.ie than within the pages of our papers.

That's just drivel.

**4tothefloor** · 04/04/2013, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

If we do get to the playoffs we'll obviously picked up a couple of decent results, so I'm not sure how anybody could totally rule out qualification at that point. Talk about covering himself just in case we happen to make the top two. Terrible article overall anyway.

Cathal Dervan is a t**t. Martin O'Neill is an even bigger one. I don't think I could bring myself to following a MON team. Depressing stuff.

**mypost** · 04/04/2013, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Interesting perspective here:

Enough has been written about Giovanni Trapattoni.

What alarmed us most was a recent Kevin Kilbane revelation that during his time playing under the Italian, Trap hardly ever spoke at half-time. I�ve been in dressing rooms all around the country in my other capacity as a performance psychology consultant and one issue that teams and managers constantly review is how effectively they use half-time.............

Trap has been unable � and unwilling � to provide that. Which is another reason why, at the end of this campaign, he�ll have everyone telling him a word everyone will clearly understand. Ciao.

Kevin Kilbane has had the hump ever since Trap got rid of him for younger full backs. His views should be seen in that context.

A few weeks ago, he went on a rant on how Trap was in Milan during a EPL weekend. In fact, Trap was in Dublin announcing the squad and attending a LOI game.

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

There have been times this year and in the last few years where they have been one of the teams I look forward to watching because of the football they play. In my eyes they play the game how I want Ireland (and how I set teams up in PES and FM etc) to play.

This is the World Cup, a 15-month serious business with emotion and excitement involved, it's not PES where you can play it again 10 minutes later.

The "we should be glad to have Trap" brigade ignore his failings.

He is our most successful coach since Mick, and has a proven record here and elsewhere, of getting the job done. The Trappasceptics fail to see that.

And when they are that obvious as they were for the second half v Austria then we should be right to question why this man is in charge and why he made the awful decisions he did.

Austria had little to offer in the second half, in the end it took a 30-yard potshot to go in via a deflection in injury time. Another 2 minutes, and what happened in the second half wouldn't have mattered.

Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

I didn't find any of T O'D's questions to be disgraceful. pretty much every Irish fan in the stadium at that moment was thinking that our chances of qualifying were practically over so it was a fair question, imo.

We are level with second place with 5 games to go. Our chances of qualification are far from over.

**Stuttgart88** · 04/04/2013, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Austria had little to offer in the second half

Do you seriously believe that? Everyone I was sitting with saw a good chance coming, if not a goal. We disappeared for the last 20 minutes.

Like you, I don't think our chances are over though. We have to win the mini-group of ourselves, Austria and Sweden, including all our results against Kazakhstan & Faroes.

We have got the necessary 6 points away to the latter two, and I think Austria have failed to do that. I expect we'll get 6 at home too.

We are arguably 3 points up on Sweden who I'm sure expected to beat us. But that's a hypothetical 3 points. The table says we have a point each from that game. Sweden have a point from Germany that I doubt we'll get, and they may get at least one more in the last game.

I also think that Sweden could well get 6 points from Austria, and I expect at least 4. I don't think they'll drop a point to the "minnows". Therefore, although 4 points from Sweden and Austria might well put us in a good place, I really do expect we'll need 6, and we absolutely will have to beat Sweden. I suppose the key is the two Sweden vs Austria results. If Sweden win both we're goosed.

I don't think we'll be the worst r'up if we come second.

**mypost** · 04/04/2013, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Do you seriously believe that? Everyone I was sitting with saw a good chance coming, if not a goal. We disappeared for the last 20 minutes.

We are arguably 3 points up on Sweden who I'm sure expected to beat us. But that's a hypothetical 3 points. The table says we have a point each from that game. Sweden have a point from Germany that I doubt we'll get, and they may get at least one more in the last game.

I also think that Sweden could well get 6 points from Austria, and I expect at least 4. I don't think they'll drop a point to the "minnows". Therefore, although 4 points from Sweden and Austria might well put us in a good place, I really do expect we'll need 6, and we absolutely will have to beat Sweden. I suppose the key is the two Sweden vs Austria results. If Sweden win both we're goosed.

I don't think we'll be the worst r'up if we come second.

It's all hypothetical. I couldn't see Austria scoring from 30 yards in injury time, but they did.

What matters is where we are and we have the same points as them and Sweden now. We got 3 points from our games against Russia and Slovakia last time and it was enough. We may need more than that this time, we may not. We'll only know that at the end of the campaign.

**Kingdom** · 04/04/2013, 6:18 PM

It's grating me hearing we lost to a 30 yard wonder goal. Alaba's standing foot is on the arc of the "d" when he shoots. So 20yd's then.

In the context of results against the other teams, Sweden are a point up over ourselves and Austria with a point gained against Germany, with a home game to come.
Austria are down two points against Kazakhstan compared to ourselves and Sweden.

Austria have the toughest run-in I reckon, while there is a much-of-a-muchness whether ourselves or Sweden have the easier run in.
The next round of games, with us all but certain to beat the Faroes, means the pivotal game at the moment is the Austria-Sweden game on the same night. I think the Austrian's have to go for the win, because I don't see them winning again until the final night. I base that on a very good away record (statistically speaking - we've been awful in some away games) Trapattoni is on at present, and the fact that Austria won't be Sweden or the Mannschaft away.
In conclusion, go Osterreich!

**DeLorean** · 04/04/2013, 6:52 PM

I suppose we can be a little bit more optimistic about Sweden's mediocrity than at the start of the campaign. There's no point in predicting the results for the rest of the year really without knowing the circumstances, but I'm pretty sure we'll take three points from the Faroes game and I'd be hopeful that Sweden won't win in Vienna. The table will have a nicer look to it then with Sweden coming to Dublin. If Sweden do win in Vienna it could be game over ball burst.

**Fixer82** · 04/04/2013, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Austria had little to offer in the second half, in the end it took a 30-yard potshot to go in via a deflection in injury time. Another 2 minutes, and what happened in the second half wouldn't have mattered.

Austria were all over us for the last half hour.

I thought Tony O'Donoghue's interview was awful but to say Austria had little to offer is just wrong.