That would be madness, replace Trap with lardice - whats the difference?Originally Posted by jebus
good shout on lars lagerback. experienced international boss. sweden were always solid under him, would have the same type of player and mentality to work with. i wonder would the FAI even look at him. some of the candidates on offer would worry me.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...ni-226725.html
Despite Tuesday’s agonising home draw with Austria putting Giovanni Trapattoni firmly back in the firing line, the FAI have no immediate plans to move against the manager.
That means the Italian should be secure in his job until at least September — barring, of course, a catastrophic result at home to the Faroe Islands in June.
The association’s board of management did convene yesterday but, unlike the emergency session which followed the Faroes game last October – when the FAI opted to back the manager amid raging speculation that he was about to be axed — this was a scheduled meeting and Trapattoni’s position was not an issue.
The manager has also revealed that FAI chief executive John Delaney offered his commiserations in person after Austria’s last gasp equaliser at the Aviva and pointed out that the qualifying campaign is still only at the half-way stage.
“He was in the players’ lounge and give me and Marco regards,” said the Italian. “For the result, obviously, (he) was no happy-happy, but for the commitment and for our performance, he said it was okay, we have played only 45 minutes now.
“He said we have again the other opportunity. I believe this, it’s no problem. He said also, ‘You were very unlucky’. And not only him, also three or four people, not FAI, said, ‘unfortunately you were a little bit unlucky this evening’. Because Austria were shooting but shooting away. We had no other particularly dangerous situation. We could have finished the game with a one-goal advantage.”
Among those braving the cold on Tuesday night to watch the 2-2 draw at the Aviva was former Reading boss Brian McDermott who is widely believed to be the FAI’s preferred choice as a successor to the current manager. When Trapattoni was asked yesterday if he was satisfied he retained the association’s backing, he replied: “That is not my duty. My duty is to make what is possible to do with this team. To discover other players to renew us. To grow the team’s experience, confidence and conviction. The team had a very great reaction (against Austria) because, after 15 minutes when you give this goal advantage to a good team, it was like a knock to the head. But we had a good reaction – (Shane) Long also hit the post — and we could have achieved the result. We played well.”
Trapattoni said he fully understood that Austria’s stoppage time equaliser would negatively colour media comment on the game and, in particular, his contentious substitutions.
He said: “Two minutes less and the analysis would be completely different.
“I know your job: why this change or the other? Now it’s easy to say but the decision had to be made after 80 minutes.”
Trapattoni said he had considered bringing on the “creative, offensive” Wes Hoolahan but decided that, with Irish energy levels flagging, Paul Green would do more to stiffen the midfield.
Trapattoni also claimed it was pointless for him to try and run the clock down by bringing on a third sub since the referee would simply have extended the stoppage time.
In any event, according to the manager, it was not the substitutions which made the difference but the fact that Ireland didn’t opt to kill time in the game’s dying moments having won a free-kick deep in Austrian territory.
Instead, the quickly taken free ended up with the opposition regaining possession and then breaking upfield to score via David Abala’s deflected shot.
“This team in the future can learn from this,” he said. “With more calm, we could have wasted a little bit of time with the free-kick and finished the game off. Instead, we played immediately and lost the ball in midfield. Let me say one name: Damien Duff. In this position, he would go down, lose time and finish the game. That is experience.”
Similarly, after Ciarán Clark’s error for the first Polish goal, Trapattoni suggested — in his own inimitable way of course — that there is a time for a centre-half to play football and a time for him to find Row Z.
“I saw this at Aston Villa, he has this habit,” said the manager. “He must learn. Italy had the great teams in the past but their defenders never make dribbling, never in life. When you can play, play, but, under pressure, close the eyes and shoot over there.”
Despite Tuesday’s cruel blow — one which yielded a potentially significant advantage to both Austria and Sweden — Trapattoni maintains that Ireland remain firmly in contention for a second-place finish in Group C.
“It’s like arm-wrestling,” he declared. “Germany are out in front but Sweden, Austria and Ireland remain in this balance. And Sweden play Austria next. Can we still qualify? We have only played 45 minutes. Now starts the second round so why not.”
I don't disagree with anything Trap says, and it's very much Owls fan's way of looking at things, and yes, be careful what you wish for, but for me the issue is the whole approach to the game, the selections, the use of Green in Walters' position rather than "sliding" across the middle like he did in Stockholm. Even if we had held on it'd not have changed my opinion that it was an ugly way of approaching the game that virtually guaranteed giving them the ball far more than they needed to have it.
I agree with him about that free kick. I was exasperated when I saw them do a tippy-tappy, dilly-dally free kick near the Austrian's corner flag. It was a set piece they should have channeled it to jockeying at the corner flag or taken a proper set piece and tried to score a header, I'd have done the former myself but I could understand trying to score given the Austrians looked so bad in the air. What I would never have done was a tippy-tappy short pass like they did, we dont have players reknowned for keeping the all, it was just inviting dispossession . I thought our use of free kicks all night was pretty poor, we seemed to play this short passes from them or shoot from range too much when (as could be seen from our corners) a ball into the box caused the Austrians bother all night.
Hindsight my backside, a blind man could see the open uncontested space in midfield for the Austrians to occupy in the last 1/4 of the game. His substitution not only did nothing to rectify that but made it worse, yet he tries to deflect the cause of losing the lead to the players making a mistake and not being canny enough in the last minute.
In the past, eg in Montenegro, when we were under no great pressure, he replaced a striker and threw Andy Keogh in at wide midfield to help close down any threat, that was an obvious move by a manager satisfied with his night's work.
I was thinking this morning two names actually aidean mcgeady and damien duff. Duffer was exactly who i was thinking when thinking about that free kick, he would have fallen over a few times - but guess who else would have? Shane long, but he was off. And Trap ignored that, because that little fact goes against his argument. I think Mcgeady could have really opened them up with Mccarthys passes into the middle creating lots of space in the first half for counter attacks, but no one really took them on.
The most annoying bit about that piece is he is trying to portray that we were unlucky - no we werent trap, we were lucky to get away with this for so long for 4 years. If he had come out and said, look I got it wrong then I'd have a lot more respect and confidence for the future but he hasn't. HE got it wrong and seems like he would do the same all over again. Familiar to anyone? Yes after the Euros, he reckoned if we did it again the result would have been different. Was it CD who said...insanity
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Some refs will add on a bit more time when a team makes an injury time substitution. Most don't or add as little as 30 seconds. Plus, it would have been an opportunity to regroup and get direct instructions onto the pitch. Regarding replacing Trap with McDermott. No thanks. I guarantee Mc will be a 2/3/5 year plan merchant. Somebody Delaney feels comfortable with. I'm still convinced we can come second in this group so I am against changing the manager at this stage. If say Tony Pulis or MON had been manager the last two games I very much doubt we would have seen any better display from this Irish team. Chris Hughton would only tweek the team selection/tactics (he plays Holt up front for Norwich). And these are in work Premiership managers managing most of our Premierhship players.
Is Trap seriously trying to tell us he's never utilised the cynical injury-time substitution ploy in order to wind down the clock because it's "pointless"?
I've been thinking over the last couple of days since the match about the coaching situation.
As I've stated before I want Trap to leave after another inept example of game management.
However, he's not going anywhere.
So until we are mathematically out of it I'm backing him. Or if we get walloped at Wembley.
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I believe Trapatonni is seriously superstitious (ala Don Revie and a fair few other managers) and this clouds his judgement sometimes. Old time Italian managers invented the wind down substitutions/fall down fake injuries so he is bull****ting here.
Great shout for Lagerback. International experience managing a country with a similar player pool to Ireland ticks alot of boxes for me. He seems to be doing a good job with Iceland now also.
I have to admit though I know very little about him outside of him seeming to do a very good job on paper, so would be good to know what his management style is with players and how he tries to get his teams to play, both of which are vital for gelling together our young team and capturing the imagination of the Irish public again. We can talk all we like on here about Irish people being "event junkies" but I know plenty of people that care about the Irish team that refuse to go to our games because of the negative fare that we generally serve up over the past number of years. I might disagree with their stance, but I can understand it.
McDermott ticks a good few boxes. He's young, encourages his teams to play good football, is clearly a talented coach, has a good knowledge of the Irish players, our youth teams and probably the League of Ieland from his contacts at Reading. He reminds me a bit of Brendan Rodgers in many ways, in that I think he will grow into a very good manager, but I think there is going to be a steep learning curve with him. It would be a concern that he has no experience at all of international/european club football either as a manager or as a player. This was definitely something that was crucial to the success of Big Jack and certainly Trap's reign in the first 2/3 years. I would be cautiosly optimistic with Brian McDermott but if I had to pick I would prefer Lagerback.
Martin O'Neill is the only realistic candidate I would like to see managing us after Trap, that I know about. I want Trap to remain until after this campaign, overall I think he deserves that much despite his flaws. I also think it's better for our qualification chances, continuity and all that. We can part company with him at the end of the campaign with everything rosy in the garden, so to speak.
I see that Stephen Fletcher and Lee Catermole are out for the remainder of the season at Sunderland. With Villa, Wigan and Southampton all showing a bit of form I think Sunderland will be relegated. They have a pretty hellish run-in as well, Man Utd and Chelsea up next before an away derby with Newcastle. The also have Everton and a trip to White Harte Lane to come. Martin could be free sooner than we think!
The only box he ticks, is that he failed in his efforts to secure 4th from bottom in the EPL and therefore got fired well before the season ended. No thank you.
I prefer a proven winner with enough trophies to fill a cabinet or two. That's what we have atm.
He didn't fail at all. The season is still ongoing.
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We've already had Lars Lagerbäck as manager. He just called himself Brian Kerr at the time. I'd imagine Lagerbäck is content managing a team where stringing a couple of passes together is called revolutionary.
I'd be cautious about McDermott but his record last year is more relevant and he shot the lights out.
I would live a proven top class manager, but I don't think Jose Mourinho or the chap at Dortmund would be up for managing Ireland
McDermott had little or no money to spend, compared to the teams around him. He had a very good season in getting them promotion and I think it was wrong that he was sacked by Reading. If you read my post, I do note my concerns about him and his lack of experience. I would put him in the one to watch category, possibly down the line he could be a very good manager.
No to mention he could get Ian Harte back on board!
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Typical Swedish arrogancethey are capable even of producing a few flurries now and again. When's the last time you saw a flurry of passing?
You guys had to be bailed out by a couple of pieces of outrageous Zlatan brilliance to overcome Lagerback's Iceland, in one of his first games in charge.
Since then the graph has gone upwards, bit by bit.
He has taken charge of an already successful young group of players at u21 level, that have grown up in an organised, educated, (technical) football culture. The demands were already high to find someone who could get them to compete on the senior stage. Lagerback has impressed me and everybody else I know associated with football here. Iceland isn't the Faroes who are happy with the odd victory, the demands and pressures on an intl manager are even more so here than in Ireland. People go to games and expect the team to win and if they don't win there are a hundred different opinions on what should have been done. That use to bemuse me.
Anybody would be fooling themselves if they thought technical football means we play like Latinos, far from it, we're Irish - more ugly, less tanned and less creative.
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