Trap Out and/or Delaney Out

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2012, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by KK77

He's getting his info from Dennis O'Brien afaik.

No he's not, he's getting it from FAI sources. O'Brien has no influence at the Indo, hence why he's always suing his own journalists.

**paul_oshea** · 15/10/2012, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Why don't you then? You're always referring to posters here by how you perceive their attributes. Stop hiding and spit it out.

I share your concerns about Mick making same mistakes, but I think he'd be a lot better. I still highly rate Trap's away record and wish we could continue on same basis, but we are now rubbish at home and rubbish against strong teams. That's not just down to the quality of the players.

Well I don't want to embarrass any of them as I'd imagine at this stage they are embarrassed enough. Don't worry stutts you're not one of them :P

Ya i'd think if he could scrape those wins, but we never really had an austria or a sweden to beat away from home. And slovakia arent as good as sweden, and we could only draw with them anyway. We had no team as good as austria that we beat before, macedonia or armenia the closest

**tetsujin1979** · 15/10/2012, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Well I don't want to embarrass any of them as I'd imagine at this stage they are embarrassed enough. Don't worry stutts you're not one of them :P

Ya i'd think if he could scrape those wins, but we never really had an austria or a sweden to beat away from home. And slovakia arent as good as sweden, and we could only draw with them anyway. We had no team as good as austria that we beat before, macedonia or armenia the closest

Austria are currently ranked 59th in the world. Armenia were ranked 44th when we beat them at home

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2012, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Austria are currently ranked 59th in the world. Armenia were ranked 44th when we beat them at home

Armenia were plateauing due to recent results, while Austria are probably ranked lower than their true ability. I think we'll probably find they're about the same in terms of overall quality.

**KK77** · 15/10/2012, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

No he's not, he's not getting it from FAI sources. O'Brien has no influence at the Indo, hence why he's always suing his own journalists.

I can assure you he is!

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2012, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by KK77

I can assure you he is!

Your sources are unreliable then.

**KK77** · 15/10/2012, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Your sources are unreliable then.

No not at all.

**paul_oshea** · 15/10/2012, 2:54 PM

Tets point taken, but those rankings in my opinion are never really accurate. CD, i reckon it would be easier to get a win out in Armenia than it would be in Vienna.

I also think it would be a lot easier to beat Armenia at home.

**shakermaker1982** · 15/10/2012, 2:58 PM

Right who is still in the Trap camp? Don't be shy.....

**Fergie's Son** · 15/10/2012, 2:58 PM

McCarthy would be a step backwards. Time for new blood.

**shakermaker1982** · 15/10/2012, 3:00 PM

Also what about these Harry Redknapp rumours I read this morning. Would that be something that posters would like to see?

How the hell could we afford him?

Do we need an Irish manager?

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2012, 3:04 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Also what about these Harry Redknapp rumours I read this morning. Would that be something that posters would like to see?

How the hell could we afford him?

Do we need an Irish manager?

We need somebody who will prioritise bringing through the next generation rather than somebody who comes in to make the best of what we have to get results, like Trap. Unfortunately the FAI and the Irish public will demand immediate results.

**TrapAPony** · 15/10/2012, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Also what about these Harry Redknapp rumours I read this morning. Would that be something that posters would like to see?

How the hell could we afford him?

Do we need an Irish manager?

I want him. Might bring a few lads like Noble, O'Hara, Naughton etc with him

**paul_oshea** · 15/10/2012, 3:19 PM

Redknapp would jump ship just after austria game when an offer in the premiership came in for him.

I actually think international football would suit him, I think he would get the best out of what we have - granted he used to always make an awful lot of signings. There isn't really a whole lot of decent candidates out there. I like someone young like deschamps, fresh ideas, i dont see him leaving france though

Coyle might not be a bad idea. I think at the moment we need someone with good man management skills.

I've a friend who says we need to send an SOS out to all premier league teams a bit like Jack did.

**IsMiseSean** · 15/10/2012, 3:27 PM

Originally Posted by TrapAPony

I want him. Might bring a few lads like Noble, O'Hara, Naughton etc with him

Are you serious?
Is Noble & O'Hara any better than what we have in CM? I hope we never see them in an Ireland shirt!!

**Charlie Darwin** · 15/10/2012, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Redknapp would jump ship just after austria game when an offer in the premiership came in for him.

I actually think international football would suit him, I think he would get the best out of what we have - granted he used to always make an awful lot of signings. There isn't really a whole lot of decent candidates out there. I like someone young like deschamps, fresh ideas, i dont see him leaving france though

Coyle might not be a bad idea. I think at the moment we need someone with good man management skills.

I've a friend who says we need to send an SOS out to all premier league teams a bit like Jack did.

When has he ever made the best of what he had? He has always had a lot of money to work with and generally his position in the league has been a reflection of the club's financial power or worse.

**tetsujin1979** · 15/10/2012, 3:52 PM

He's also pretty culpable for the mess Portsmouth are in at the moment

**BonnieShels** · 15/10/2012, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

He's also pretty culpable for the mess Portsmouth are in at the moment

I think it would be nigh on crazy.

Like all the other times we have had Venables linked to us. It would sicken me.

**John83** · 15/10/2012, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Strongbow10

Fed up listening to this kind of defence of Trap.

That's funny because the entire thread up to that post was unanimously in favour of Trap leaving.

**Ol� Ol�** · 15/10/2012, 4:22 PM

Maybe getting in Redknapp would be a good money-making method for the FAI. Sign him up to an 18-month contract and if he walks away before it's completion to a Premier League side then the FAI are due compensation. God, I hope none of this happens.

Redknapp, Trap or Venables or anyone of their ilk could currently be seen as mere mercenaries in relation to the job and it's current context. A younger manager would be seen as ideal. If there are funds available, how about testing Brian McDermott's loyalty to Reading? His desire to manage Ireland isn't immediate but if he was sought out then it could prove too good to be refused.

Coyle is a very good option. As a young manager with plenty energy and vibrance and base in England, he'd be more than willing to see the talent at our disposal and how to incorporate it if possible. He'd probably be a cheap enough option, given that his wages at Burnley should he take the job there would hardly be astronomical and he is a free agent. He's passionate with a strong Irish identity and would surely prove a strong leader to James McCarthy and Aiden McGeady as Glaswegians of Irish descent, with both players being quite integral to the future of our midfield.

As I've stated, there are some quite good players at our disposal were a new manager set on employing a better brand of football than Trap. But, even at that, whereas tiki-taka football hasn't been the prime trait of Irish football in the past, spirit, workrate and hunger have been. These weren't on show Friday night. And if you can argue that they were, then the likes of O'Dea and Ward aren't of the requisite standard to apply these traits to international football. There are willing alternatives who should be able to do so.