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    Kerr is going to be on Prime Time talking about Trap now in a minute

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    Any summary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    I don't think standing behind your manager in a press conference the day before a must-win game is too much loyalty.

    edit: woosh, from On the Ball on Facebook:
    traps sister is ill hence the press conference being called off. thats what i just heard. also no fai and trap meeting planned

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    After watching that O'Donoghue interview with Trap coupled with the cancelling of the press conference and with the rumours that have been apparently coming from trusted sources within the FAI (according to Brian Kerr) I feel his card could be marked.

    He didn't seem to claim with any great certainty in the interview that he'd be sticking around for the foreseeable future. Just a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbyrne View Post
    traps sister is ill hence the press conference being called off. thats what i just heard. also no fai and trap meeting planned
    I have used the 'my dog is sick I have to go home to look after her' excuse a few times, always works a charm.

    But my sister? maybe if she was on her deathbed.

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    Remember guys if Trap goes so does the lovely Manuela?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I have used the 'my dog is sick I have to go home to look after her' excuse a few times, always works a charm.

    But my sister? maybe if she was on her deathbed.
    His sister is a nun AFAIR, she gave him the vial of holy water he carries with him to games
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    Holy smokes Tets!
    What does Trap do with that holy water? sprinkle it on the players to sort out the few ball playing vampires amongst the squad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I have used the 'my dog is sick I have to go home to look after her' excuse a few times, always works a charm.

    But my sister? maybe if she was on her deathbed.
    who are you to decide what trap thinks is more important between attending a sick family member and a press conference where he will face the same old questions? reported this morning that she is in hospital.
    ridiculous post

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    TOD's questioning of Trap is becoming tiresome, he's looking for trouble and like George Hamilton too, they're egging the cake too much. The sad thing is that there will be precious little objectivity in affairs now. I thought Trap and the players spoke well, and that he (Trap) just didn't want to answer anything other than questions about football. Fair enough.

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    .....anyway the truth as usual is somewhere in between and there are valid arguments on both sides of the divide:

    Pros:

    Qualification and a near qualification in his two tournaments
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    2 campaigns unbeaten away run.

    Cons

    Doesn't pick the players whom many believe should be in the team
    Poor communication apparently with some players
    Style of play, especially at home, not entertaining
    Doesn't travel to see players
    Terrible Poland tournament and subsequent German result
    Alienating a lot of fans (see above)

    Personally, I will still choose Pros over Cons because (a) Dunphy is on the other side and (b)change does not necessarily = improvement. I have seen 20+ managers come and go at Hillsboro and heard the same arguments. 6 improved things. 14 did not. That is not of course a valid argument not to change managers but the far away hills are always green. The player who isn't playing would make things better. The manager who isn't there would turn things round. Sometimes they do. More often than not they don't.

    I'd say he's here until the end of this campaign so let's accept that and get on with it. He is now selecting McCarthy/Coleman/Wilson/McLean so that alleviates some of the criticism. Long I wouldn't select ahead of either Keane or Walters so that is an arguable one but I would pick him ahead of Cox but....this just leaves us Clarke (poor when he played for us and not exactly a world beater) and Hoolahan. I have been impressed by the latter when I have seen him play but the manager doesn't pick him because he doesn't suit his system. C'est la guerre.

    Football is all about opinions but I think the anti-Trapp brigade should not equate not supporting Trapp with not supporting the team. There will be lots of vacant seats in the forthcoming games but the team/country is a separate entity to the manager and as my little nephew used to say "Stand up for the poison greens" even if it contains Simon Cox or ANdy Keogh, the current bete-noirs of the Trapp era.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Any summary?
    Same old same old Stut, you could prob right a summary of what he said without watching it, wasn't whining to much

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    Good post Owls Fan, except in my case the entertainment factor is a red herring - though if it's keeping thousands away I think it's a factor the FAI should have in mind.

    In my case the issue of style of play is more that it's a very high risk style of football. Call me naive but I think you're more likely to win games when you have more of the ball and you actually tackle opponents. A bad defeat was pending before the Euros. Despite the run of clean sheets I was alarmed by the amount of chances we were shipping and how even third-tier teams found us easy to play against.

    A friend of mine wrote an academic paper (seriously!) on when is the best time to sack a football manager. It takes into account all kinds of data such as the SWFC numbers you cite above. I must ask him what his "model" tells about this situation!

    Here it is:

    http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/files/di...DP_2011_24.pdf

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    FAI management meeting right now, statement expected very soon. This according to RTE journos on Twitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbyrne View Post
    who are you to decide what trap thinks is more important between attending a sick family member and a press conference where he will face the same old questions? reported this morning that she is in hospital.
    ridiculous post
    I agree that him presiding over a morning-after press conference would be as pointless/frustrating as any other press conference and the agenda most probably repetitive. But this is part of his job and a part which he does not do as well he could, by utilizing the translator to understand and answer questions asked and more especially at this present time. Maybe his sister is very sick, maybe not, I don't know.
    Trap was quoted as saying he is going back early on Wed morn to attend a meeting in Italy and to visit his sister in hospital. That indicates that attending the meeting has some proportional value to his reasons for leaving early. So yeah, I am skeptical, but I'll keep an open mind.

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    I suspect it was obviously decided that Trap not do the usual morning after press conference because the FAI were meeting later on in the day to discuss his future.

    Edit,
    confirmed this morning, for the gullible few who swallowed wholesale, the sentimentality of the sick sister excuse for not doing the press conference.

    'The Trapattoni camp suspected the worst when the FAI on Tuesday evening “postponed” his normal day-after press conference, originally scheduled for Dublin last night. It had been suggested Trapattoni had to return to Italy earlier than anticipated in order to visit his sick sister, Sister Romilde. Sources close to Trapattoni confirmed last night, however, that his sister has been ill for some months now but that there had been no emergency about her condition in recent days.'
    Last edited by geysir; 18/10/2012 at 9:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    2 competitive defeats in 3 campaigns
    really? because i count six competitive defeats in 2.3 campaigns, more like it. and if fifa rankings are important to you, wait til the next ones come out.

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    The circus continues. Terrible management. Qualifying hopes finished now. Don't see much benefit giving him a big pay out now if the FAI can't afford. Might as well leave the contract run out until summer '14. Abysmal

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy_c12000 View Post
    The circus continues. Terrible management. Qualifying hopes finished now. Don't see much benefit giving him a big pay out now if the FAI can't afford. Might as well leave the contract run out until summer '14. Abysmal
    I don't think our qualification hopes are finished with that draw, it's a big setback, and if we'd lost I would agree with you about it being curtains. Assuming we beat Kazakhstan and the Faeroes at home (and if we can't we don't deserve to be in Brazil) then I think beating Sweden at home and getting a point in Vienna will give us a good chance of finishing 2nd, I'm a little worried that our group will have the "worst second place" team so we might miss out on the playoffs.

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