That would be a good deal for Trap, he would get all the money without having to live in Ireland or watch any Irish players play matches for their clubs. Oh wait.........Originally Posted by brine3
I think I'm more on Trap's side than ever now. The media pressure is barbaric, pure Brit-influenced c rap from watching Sky Sports for too long. The man's done well, I don't agree with some of the tactics and some of the team selections but he got us to a major tournament and within an inch of another from a very low starting point. A win tonight and we're pretty much where we expected to be after three games. Get the Dunney Monster back for Stockholm in March and grab a 1-1 and off we go! To challenge Sweden for second would be an achievement in itself this time round I feel. I know there is much more detailed analysis of his performance being ignored here, and I know the counter arguments to what I have said, but I don't care...overall he's done a good job and that cartoon thing a few pages back is idiotic. It might only be a little joke but it's not funny as it has no substance whatsoever.
I like the team for tonight too, well under the circumstances. Brady and Wilson for Cox and Ward makes plenty of sense. If only we could strengthen the centre a bit.
Last edited by DeLorean; 16/10/2012 at 11:41 AM.
Never convinced by Trap and still believe we should have got rid of him after Euro debacle. But, having kept him on we must stick with him for this campaign (until we are definately out). Win tonight and we are still in contention for 2nd plae so why the hell sack him (even if FAI could afford it ?). we were always playing for 2nd - God Almighty could not get those players to finish ahead of Germany - and nothing much has changed.
Group will be decided on our games with Sweden and Austria and then we can judge Trap.
Cathal Dervan (I know, I know) talking on Radio Ulster, says Trap will almost certainly be gone by the end of the week. Said the wheels have been set in motion to replace him, and all that's left to discuss is the money.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
you would wonder why anyone pays a manager really when its the fans / media / internet forums that are really the ones with all the correct solutions
Beating the Faroes will not suddenly mean we're in contention for second place given the last two performances.
I agree with most of what you say. The media have been pure ignorant for the last few days.
Trap done what was asked of him and in very difficult circumstances after Stan's chaos. He should be applauded for that, I don't think there is many other managers out there that would have been able to get so close to a WC and then qualify for the Euros.
I think he's time is up though, it's just a shame it's happening this way.
22 qualifying matches with 2 defeats
Qualified for playoffs twice
Qualified for our first major tournament in 10 years and our first Euros in 24 years
Overshot our seeding in both qualifying campaigns
Increased our FIFA ranking through his tenure significantly
All while operating with the weakest Irish squad in about 20 years.
I'll just say that if we sack this man we'll be the laughing stock of the world. The animosity against him in the current position is exactly why we have the worst fanbase out there, simply disgraceful. I'm embarrassed by some of the gutter tabloid nonsense said around here.
While I can respect somebody saying that trap's tenure was successful but it's run its course and time to move on, there are literally people who believe Trap's tenure was poor and that his appointment was a mistake. We have an admin on this board today proclaiming that the selection team who got him should be hung for their transgressions, it'd be comedy gold if this wasn't my country.
Our mentalitee is strong.
I could hardly be described as a member of the Trap Out Brigade but even I've lost faith in him. His record in terms of results is very good, or at least was until the Euros, but it's clear at this stage that this is a side on a very steep decline unless there are big changes.
What is most disgusting in all of this is how the meeja are hunting like a pack, there is no independent thinker - though I will give an exception to Vincent Hogan who, I believe, wrote a balanced and decent article today. If you say something often enough it then becomes true. INM are behaving like scum in this respect and I hate to say that I've actually started to "take" the Times, or actually not read Irish newspapers online at all. It is all backslapping, drinking buddies and no end of agenda from each one involved. This was set in motion a long, long time ago and these people who largely ignore domestic football, are pushing the lie that removing the manager and his crew will mean something good for football in Ireland. Murfinator has it right, I had to listen today to a local clown sneer about how Ireland are just minnows now, that even our media say so. This is the same gobsheen who blew up (with the connivance of Irish journos at the Olympics) a non-existent row between Katie Taylor and her Russian opponent. The Irish meeja lapped it up, regardless of the extra pressure it put on our own fighter, and it was all a lie to begin with - but when did that ever get in the way of Fleet Street/Irish journos.
Last edited by Spudulika; 16/10/2012 at 2:53 PM.
i cant look at a sunday world cause of 1 journalist...guess its not hard.
The performances have been pretty woeful, but I still dont think we are that far off Sweden and second place, Sweden's performances have been as nearly as drab as ours especially when you consider their two games have been easier than ours. Put it this way if we beat the Faeroes (and if we dont this whole conversation is pointless and we can kiss goodbye to everything) and Sweden are beaten in Germany we will be level on points in 2nd position. We will then go away to Stockholm and if we can draw that (and I think looking at Sweden even our current team, in sloppy form, could get a draw) and a win will put us in a good position irrespective of how badly we have played. Sweden currently have a 7 goal difference better than us, but a 3-0 defeat for them and a 2 or 3-0 win for us (both of which are possible) would bring the goal differences more into line.
Reading what some people on here type about Sweden you would think they are the best team in Europe, they are far from that. While they are well organised and physical, they are very mundane, largely bereft of skill and pace. Hard to break down perhaps, but they will not run us ragged like the Germans and Croatians did, they dont have players with the energy to do this - our defenders will have more time on the ball and this will suit Traps defensive (and frankly rather horrific to watch) style of football.
Theres such a thing as too much loyalty towards a manager aswell. It can be as damaging as constantly selecting underperforming players.
His entire reign needs to be analysed. Has he any interest in a long term strategy to blood players for the future? NO
World class people skills are needed for a manager in the modern game, does he possess this quality? Apparently not
Has he shown tactical intelligence and flexibility? NO
Does he show an enthusiasm to cast his net wide and really evaluate what options he has at his disposal as an international manager in terms of players? NO
Quite frankly, people set the bar extremely low. Whats to say we could not have won our qualification groups with a less pragmatic approach? And before anyone jumps down my neck, advocating a less pragmatic approach does not entails trying to be Spain. It involves being efficient defensively without compromising attacking as a unit aswell.
His inability to nip some of our problems in the bud is very worrying. Our midfield for instance. Not effective in possession but more worryingly for Trap not effective without it either.
His insistance on relying on some really Terrible players, making them key squad members. Darren O'Dea, Stephen Ward, Paul McShane, Andy Keogh, Glen Whelan, Paul Green, Stephen Hunt, and then having the gall to tell us that this is the hand he has been dealt rather than trying to blood players who may in fact prove to be better alternatives.
Personally, I always thought Trap was a spent force in terms of being a relevant football mind. He has really been insignificant since the turn of the century really. He has a name sure, but its the equivalent of being in a long term relationship with a supermodel from the 80's when you are an ugly f*cker. In your eyes your still going out with a model, but to everyone else looking on you seem happy with someone who as quite clearly seen better days.
I don't think standing behind your manager in a press conference the day before a must-win game is too much loyalty.
edit: woosh, from On the Ball on Facebook:
Trapattoni will NOT hold a planned press conference in Dublin tomorrow and will instead fly home directly to Milan. Writing is on the wall. Join us tonight with Ken in Torshavn and Richard Sadlier, Kevin Kilbane and Stuart Byrne in Dublin.
Apparently there was a minor tremor felt in Thorshavn and in Dublin as simultaneous multiple orgasms erupted amongst the Irish meeja - their wettest dreams (thanks to a paper hack) could come true. Just ashamed to have such people call themselves Irish. Scum.
Just heard it on The Last Word . That is a whoosh.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
George Hamiliton just commented on it.
The media pressure is manufactured, Trap is a boring stable manager in their eyes with predictable team selections, systems and the communication barrier in press conferences frustrates them no end. It's difficult to sell papers or get people to tune in to coverage under this era.
They want him out and the Irish public are apparently gullible enough to be manipulated to carry out their wishes.
2 competitive defeats in 3 campaigns, currently on a 19 game unbeaten run away from home, rose our fifa rankings, 2 playoffs, 1 major tournament. I hope he goes after tonight because honestly Irish supporters don't deserve him, lets go get Dalglish or Eamon Dunphy to manage the team.
So all of this happens and then what?? We either get embarrassed by someone in the play-off or we have another debacle like the Euros where we get our arses handed to us. Traps whole attitude of the irish aren't good enough, we have a weak team, we cannot beat the bigger teams is killing the spirit of this squad, the spirit that allowed us compete with the likes of Holland, Germany, England etc in our past. Much like someone who is bullied and constantly told they are worthless, after a while they start to believe this and its extremely hard to come back from.
I think we need an Irish manager who knows what the Irish spirit and fight is all about. I think with the players we have it is not impossible for us to qualify for tournaments and give a good account of us. We are better than this crap!!!
Look what a mediocre Swedish team achieved tonight.
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