Trap Out and/or Delaney Out

[Closed Account 2]

Right who is still in the Trap camp? Don't be shy.....

I've about half a toe left in the Trap camp and the rest of me is in the get rid camp. In an ideal world he would go, but it would be a big financial hit, it seems he is not going to resign without payment. Aside from the cost of getting rid of him, paying out not only his contract but also the contract of all his support team (e.g. Tardelli as I dont think his sucessor would want to work with him, and the translator as there is no need for her) would be expensive and there would be the cost of the new manager (and his support team) over the rest of the qualification campaign. Put it this way if we did get rid of Trap and say got in Sean O'Driscoll, from now until 2014 we would be paying the wages of both Trap and O'Driscoll. If there was a standout candidate it might be justifiable but I cant see one. The football is fairly horrendous to watch, but on paper if we beat the Faeroes then 6 points from the three games would be on par with most peoples expectations and given the cost of termination I would probably give him a stay of execution so to speak. I always thought his position in this qualification campaign was akin to knockout football, so long as the results were on par we sould keep him but as soon as we dropped points against a lesser team we should consider getting rid of him. If we dont win against the Faeroese then I would get rid of him on the basis the results are impacting on future seedings. If we have another insipid performance and are drubbed in Stockholm I would probably get shot of him that night.

[pineapple stu]

Paddy Power suspend betting on him being sacked by the year end.

Though God knows bookies have suspended enough of betting for little or no reason down the years.

[the doc]

There's an old saying "Be careful what you wish for"
A very sad day if Trap is forced to leave.
Who will come in?

Harry Rednapp? He'd call up half the West Ham team plus his old players such as Anton Ferdinand! Shudder at the thought!

Mad Mick? Never go back? Nice bloke but he's had his time

Brian Kerr? Talks a good game still living off the back of the youth side success way back.

Brian Mc D from Reading, nice guy, gets the best out of his players but too soon for him right now.

Roy Keane???? Don't even go there!

What's the betting we end up with Sven?

Not looking too good is it?

In Trap I trust!

[Charlie Darwin]

I would be very surprised if Harry called up Rio Ferdinand, Sean.

[youngirish]

Almost right but I'd stick Staunton's head on an amoeba as even though it might ruin the sequence it would be more accurate in an evolutionary sense.

[Charlie Darwin]

Why? We played more positive football under Staunton than any of those managers bar McCarthy.

[youngirish]

Why? We played more positive football under Staunton than any of those managers bar McCarthy.

Staunton had us playing the most tactically inept brand of football you're ever likely to see outside a playground.

[Charlie Darwin]

And yet the players passed the ball short distances.

[Bungle]

I agree with other posters concerns about who we would and could get in. The main questions asked by any decent manager would be along the lines of
(1) How good are the team now?
(2) How good can they be in the future? (by this I would say 2-4 years)


(1) Right now, I would say that we are a team that looks in transition. We have lost Given and Duff (two world class players in their day and in Duff's case still a very good player). We have a very good forward like Robbie Keane who is in the twilight of his career and a very good defender and leader of men like Richard Dunne who is not likely to make the campaign for Euro 2016. These were four massive players for us, not just in terms of playing ability, but in terms of their experience and leadership. All four loved and love playing for Ireland and set an example for the younger players in particular. The next batch of experienced players like O'Shea and McGeady are not leaders of men. This would be a concern for any would be manager.

All is not totally unattractive. In Coleman, Clarke, Wilson, McClean and McCarthy we have five very good young players that would be attractive for any manager to work with. In goal, we have Westwood, who I believe will become a decent premiership goalie over time. In Long, we have a very very good player. Walters is a decent striker. O'Shea and McGeady have earned their reputations, but neither have ever really looked like international players on a consistent basis. However, they have both shown that they can play at a high level and it would be the challenge of any would be manager to get them back playing at this level for Ireland. Gibson was in great form for Everton prior to his injury and he could form a very good partnership with McCarthy.

Players like St Ledger will also be important and his experience over the last number of years could be crucial, especially with the more senior players retiring. The likes of Hoolahan could be massive players for us with a new regime and any football man that has watched the premiership can't but be impressed with his ability with the ball and his ability to keep possession, two qualities badly lacking in our current team. Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland are two players that could come into consideration with any new manager. In Ireland's case, there would be major question marks over whether he would ever want to play for Ireland again and whether despite his brilliant talent, he would be more trouble than he is worth, especially in a team that is likely to be in transition.

All in all, I would say we look like a reasonably decent team on paper, but a team that is lacking a "top player". We are a team of primarily premiership journeymen. Comparisons could be made with a team like Sweden, who bar Ibrahimavic, are a fairly ordinary batch of players. We don't have a Belgian golden generation, but we look like a team that should be challenging for a play off.

(2) Mick McCarty's tenure became successful not just because he had players like Irwin and Keane at his disposal, but also because he had a brilliant batch of young players coming through. In the current team, there is no guys coming through that stand out as having the brilliant talent of a Keane, Duff or Given. Only Brady looks to be anywhere near that level. He looks like he has the making of a good international player and a guy who could have a good career in the game but he has done nothing thus far to make us believe that he could be the world class player that we haven't produced in more than a decade (at times Ireland looked world class at Man City). Duffy and Cunningham seem to be doing well and have alot of talent, but neither stand out as really special. Clifford appears to be going nowhere and at one point he appeared to be one of the best underage players in the British game. To put it in perspective, I would have felt 2 years ago that barring injury, Clifford would be a starter for us by now.

Anybody who watches our underage teams will know that there are some brilliant young talents bubbling under. Guys like Conor Henderson, Graham Burke, Jeff Hendrick and Sean Murray all offer great hope. However, in the global context of what constitutes a world class u21 player, none of these have had any real success of note (Suso and Sterling for example would be in the category of world class u21 players imo). However, it must be taken into account that this does not mean that they cannot get to this level over time.

I would say that we have a healthy number of young players that look like they could have a very good future in the game. If I was a manager thinking at applying for the Ireland job, I would be on the whole impressed with the possibilities for the next few years.

[youngirish]

And yet the players passed the ball short distances.

To the opposition.

[tetsujin1979]

haven't read through all the thread, so this may have been already discussed. If there is a positive reaction in the performance tomorrow, is it down to the manager or the players themselves?

[Fergie's Son]

My18 month old can do that. Still doesn't mean I'd line him up against Cyprus.

[Charlie Darwin]

I wouldn't pick him either to be fair. Not enough experience at this level.

[gastric]

The Indo has become a lot more assertive in its belief that Trap is gone unless we win by 10 tomorrow! He's gone therefore.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...b-3259683.html

[Spudulika]

All you need to know about the Indo and INM - Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards. The paper has the morals of the English Sun and cane be summe dup in one of it's most recent "exposes". The traveler family who Phil Hogan was contacted about were supposedly "dignified" in their responses to the Minister's reaction. INM beat the head off Hogan and lined up all the usual talking heads to slam him (Pavee Point etc), they did their business then once it died down went after the father of the traveler family and exposed him as a serial offender with a track record of brutality to animals and drink driving, as well as public order offences. Of course the latter story appeared as a small article so they could claim unbiased reporting. They're lining up the next sacrificial lamb and won't stop until Trap is gone and Denis O'Brien humiliated.

[gastric]

All you need to know about the Indo and INM - Eoghan Harris and Ruth Dudley Edwards. The paper has the morals of the English Sun and cane be summe dup in one of it's most recent "exposes". The traveler family who Phil Hogan was contacted about were supposedly "dignified" in their responses to the Minister's reaction. INM beat the head off Hogan and lined up all the usual talking heads to slam him (Pavee Point etc), they did their business then once it died down went after the father of the traveler family and exposed him as a serial offender with a track record of brutality to animals and drink driving, as well as public order offences. Of course the latter story appeared as a small article so they could claim unbiased reporting. They're lining up the next sacrificial lamb and won't stop until Trap is gone and Denis O'Brien humiliated.

And how does this relate to Trap!

[paul_oshea]

haven't read through all the thread, so this may have been already discussed. If there is a positive reaction in the performance tomorrow, is it down to the manager or the players themselves?

I think its a bit of both to be honest.

Its strange when he finally starts deciding to make the changes everyone wants, now everyone wants him out....

That's the sad thing, if Trap had sorted all these little issue, that were pointed out over a year or so ago - as he so often referred to leetle details in the past - then we wouldn't be, or he wouldn't be in the position he is now.

[ifk101]

All that's needed to win against the Faroes is possession, movement and speed. Everything that is lacking under Trapattoni's reign.

[shakermaker1982]

We just need personality to beat the Faroes tonight.

[brine3]

The FAI have one card to play against Trap. They can say they will relieve Trap from his duties, but if he wants the full payoff, he must adhere to his contract and receive his salary until his contract ends in 2014.

This, of course, means that Trap could not work for anybody else for two years. And considering his age, he's probably not going to want that.