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    Ireland V Germany 12th October & Faroe Islands 16th October 2012 - World Cup 2014 Q

    Trap is set to name the squad later today. Little snippet from the Irish Times report:

    The Italian is expected to name all of his regulars including Richard Dunne despite the fact the Aston Villa defender’s groin problem appears increasingly likely to rule him out.

    Darron Gibson is unavailable but Keith Andrews is in line to be recalled after missing the game in Kazakhstan through suspension.

    Marc Wilson and Séamus Coleman are expected to retain their places but there will be some interest in whether David Meyler or Robbie Brady have impressed the manager sufficiently to earn spots amongst the squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Trap is set to name the squad later today. Little snippet from the Irish Times report:
    No doubt the squad will change with three weeks still to run....

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    Gibson is unavailable through injury or choice is it?

    I suppose Brady might make it in, I'd certainly consider him against the Faroe's. But not Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    I'd certainly consider him against the Faroe's. But not Germany.
    This is it, this is a fixture in the group where you can look to blood young players, or at least give them squad places and training/set up experience ahead of certain journeymen, without taking the opposition lightly or jeopardizing the result. Whether Trap will do this or not will I reckon have a large bearing on how patient the fans are willing to be with him.

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    Faroes away will be a tough match, and I'm not kidding. We barely beat them the last time we played them, I think it was a very hard fought 2-0 win for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter View Post
    Gibson is unavailable through injury or choice is it?
    He made himself unavailable (on the day he picked up an injury, as it happened), but I understand the injury will rule him out either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    He made himself unavailable (on the day he picked up an injury, as it happened), but I understand the injury will rule him out either way.
    For the foreseeable future or was that just for the Kazak game squad?
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    Until he informs Trap otherwise, as far as I know.

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    Sqaud announced: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status...76338792546304
    Westwood, Forde, Randolph, Wilson, O’Shea, St Ledger, O’Dea, Ward, Kelly, McShane, Whelan, McCarthy (More to follow)...
    https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status...76470426611713
    ... (Cont) Andrews, Fahey, Coleman, McGeady, Keogh, McClean, Keane, Doyle, Long, Cox, Walters. Standby: Dunne, Brady. #COYIG
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    And no space for (insert name here) yet again. Typical FAI, typical Trap. They are a disgrace to the nation.

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    Shouldn't it be #COYBIG ?

    Either way no Duff, presume that means he rejected their invitation to return.

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    Looking very weak on the wings. Might force him into a change of formation.
    Code:
    	   Westwood
    	   Forde
    	   Randolph
    
    
    Kelly	O'Shea	St Ledger	Ward
    Coleman	O'Dea	McShane		Wilson
    
    
    Keogh	Whelan	McCarthy	McGeady
    Cox	Andrews	Fahey		McClean
    
    
    	Keane	Doyle
    	Long	Walters

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    Westwood

    Kelly O'Shea Sledge Ward

    McGeady Whelan McCarthy McClean

    Keane Walters


    This is how I see it turning out. I think he'll give McClean his chance against the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    Shouldn't it be #COYBIG ?

    Either way no Duff, presume that means he rejected their invitation to return.
    it should be, but they posted COYIG
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    And no space for (insert name here) yet again. Typical FAI, typical Trap. They are a disgrace to the nation.
    only player who can feel slightly agrieved is Joey O'Brien IMO. Playing regularly for his club, didn't do anything wrong against Oman, but Kelly and O'Shea are established in the squad.
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    Fairly straightforward selection, nothing too surprising. I would presume Hunt's international career might be done for the time being.

    In regards team selection, I would hope, if he goes with a 4-4-2, that at least Andrews would be put in for Whelan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Westwood

    Kelly O'Shea Sledge Ward

    McGeady Whelan McCarthy McClean

    Keane Walters


    This is how I see it turning out. I think he'll give McClean his chance against the Germans.
    Substitute Ward for Wilson, and I'd be reasonably satisfied. I think Pearce, O'Brien and Meyler could have been included on stand-by at least, given the fact that we have two games.
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    I'm surprised Meyler isn't at least on standby, otherwise as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Westwood

    Kelly O'Shea Sledge Ward

    McGeady Whelan McCarthy McClean

    Keane Walters


    This is how I see it turning out. I think he'll give McClean his chance against the Germans.
    Did Trap not already state that McClean won't be starting against Germany either?

    I'm looking through the squad now and I'm not very optimistic that Trap will even change the team that much from the Kazakhstan game (Andrews aside). On the basis of the absentees from the Oman game, it's clear Trap hasn't placed too much weight in the performances from that win. Otherwise, Brady would be in the squad. Consequently, I don't think he's likely to change the team too dramatically.

    Given the reality of Trap's selection framework, I don't think there is a strong enough argument to be made in relation to changing the back four. I don't agree with his selection against Kazakhstan because I think O'Shea is our best centre-half (Dunne aside) and Wilson is a superior left-back to Ward. However, this was Trap's chosen 4 against Kazakhstan and his loyalty to the O'Dea and Sledge as centre-halves and lack of trust in Wilson could ensure the same 4 is maintain. Coleman's recent run at right-back will be ignored, I reckon.

    McGeady is nailed on for one wing. I'd like to see Doyle, Long or McClean on the opposite flank with Doyle or Long partnering Robbie up front. It's most likely that Doyle/Walters and Keane will start up front. I think Doyle did enough against Kazakhstan to merit a recall to the starting line-up because Trap has shown plenty faith in this partnership in the past. Also, Trap doesn't fancy Long and Keane up front. Ultimately, I think it comes down to a call between Long and Cox on the wing. However, as we saw at the weekend, Long is a great impact sub. This could stand against him and Trap could start Cox, knowing that Long is in reserve for the final 30 minutes. So Long and Walters could be kept in reserve, alongside McClean.

    The middle of the park provides an interesting conundrum. McCarthy was the better of the pair against Kazakhstan and, on that basis, deserves his start. The issue is that I feel Trap likes to have Whelan lying deep and that McCarthy filled the Andrews role against Kazakhstan i.e. the more advance, dynamic of the pair because dynamic isn't Whelan's middle name. Now that Andrews has returned, Trap is likely to again demonstrate his preference for him and put him straight into the side. This would all mean that McCarthy loses out.

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    Fahey could be a wildcard selection on one wing too, it just dawned on me, in place of Cox. That'd leave a decent bench including McCarthy, Cox, Walters, Long and McClean.

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