Very articulate Ireland fan from UK just got a few mins on the 606 show just now. He had been on calmly calling for Trap to go after the Kazakhstan game and Greene disagreed. Greene couldn't disagree now though.
But thats the thing, we won't. We will just try and plod through like we normally do. We will get get more opportunities because the Faroes won't be as good at retaining the ball as the Germans, but our game will remain the same stale old muck. We'll blunder a goal from a corner and Trap will say we got 3 points and thats all that matters and we'll move on to the next match without learning anything or improvingOriginally Posted by Stuttgart88
They FAI could really be looking at 20k or less for the remaining home games (maybe 25-30k for Swden & Austria) and the upcoming friendlies. A new manager and a sense of a new journey starting would put more bums on seats. The FAI should factor that into the financial equation.
I didn't thinking we sat off them that much, not like against Spain where we had our tents on the 18 yard line.
Germany only had a small territoriality advantage, about 56% IIRC, but I think the Germans lured us out somewhat
(the alternative is we forced them back ~unlikely?), we were also caught on the break a few times IIRC.
Oh stuff the stats and follow your eyes. We stood off them even at 5 nil down. They probed and probed and probed and scored, and scored and scored. We couldnt get on the ball and when we did we couldnt keep it.
The second goal was a counter, but that was all as far as I can recall.
The first ten mins were OK - a duffed McGeady free and a couple of corners - but after that I can think of a skewed Andrews shot in the first half, Cox's deflected effort in the second and Keogh's two chances. Other than that any possession we had in their half was very poor quality.
Difficult to pick a side for Tuesday night after so many woeful performances. Anybody expecting some changes or will he be loyal to the players?
Fair point. There is no alternative regardless of tuesdays result in my opinion
It seemed to me watching that individual players were not closing down their opposing number on friday. The game is very easy when you have space and time so I think it is crazy to be giving this kind of luxury to any oppositio. We do it constantly and are punished varyingly depending on opposition strength. Its basicaly a come and have a go if you think your hard enough attitude. Technical teams will slice through you. Now we most likely would of lost to Germany anyway but why make it easy for them
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"We lost because we didn't win"- Ronaldo
I think what he was saying is that Trap says very little and leaves the talk to the senior players, not that he is completely silent.
We kept the ball better than we usually do when we were playing 451, and we created some patient openings that simply would be possible with our old formation. Annoyingly, Fahey had just engineered one such opening for Ward down the left moments before Trap gave him the hook.
I'd go along with Stutt's economic evaluation. Realistically the qual campaign is doomed and there's nothing worse than a couple of dead rubber games with sparse crowds, never mind a team being managed by a dead man walking. There's a very decent chance with another manager to at least have it alive to the last game, that feat alone would recoup the cost of evicting Trap.
Actually, it isn't the cost of evicting Trap, it's the cost of hiring a new manager that's the issue.
Point taken. I'd lean for 4-4-2 as I feel we need to score early to avoid nerves.
I'm sure he's said there will definitely be changes. Andy Keogh's been ruled out after a bang on the head so substitution time is now excitingly shrouded in mystery.
I don't think the campaign is any more doomed than if we had lost 1-0. We all knew that Germany would coast this group and that it was all to play for for second - with Sweden favourites on merit and also because they play Germany after Germany will have qualified. My point was more that the crowds are more likely to come if it was still all to play for AND there was some chance of entertainment. There might even be a new-manager-bounce for the two friendlies - a new beginning, new hope, the right players...
Even I, a paid-up season ticket holder with a good track record of going home for the home games, thought that I'm better off watching this mullarkey on TV from now on, avoiding the expense, the airports, having to take holidays, having to be away from my family, all that. I'll still probably do so out of blind loyalty, but not in any expectation that the games are worth watching. We don't compete under Trap. We play tedious anti-football. I was OK with this as long as it got results but that bit no longer holds. If someone like me has had enough of rubbish home games (Cyprus, Montenegro, Russia, Slovakia, Bulgaria...) I can only think there are thousands of others not within an easy trip of the Aviva who'd be happier watching on TV. Many voted with their feet a couple of years back. I've a decent job but if the economic decision was more marginal I think I know what I'd decide.
With Trap's excellent record in tricky away qualifiers maybe the right thing is to fire him on Wednesday!
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It's not losing to Germany at home that's the portent of qualification hopes doom, it's the extreme unlikelihood of having anything better to play for, than 4th place with Trap. And that becomes more and more a certainty as each game is played. What did us okay in the last 2 campaigns, no longer applies.
What are the chances of hearing this on Tuesday evening "the Faroes are a handful for anybody in october"?
I dunno. My concern is that our system is so limited that teams have just figured it out. Spain, Italy and Croatia were all good teams obviously and could well have beaten us regardless, but they tore us apart. Russia did it twice. Now Germany have done it. Other, smaller, countries have outplayed us and either we got lucky or they just weren't good enough to capitalise. Either way, there's a growing wealth of evidence on how to beat our system. I think Sweden will be well set up to beat us in March, and potentially Austria too. I'd worry that the more we play like this, the more likely it is that we'll be easily dispatched.
Goal difference?
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Head to head.
You've got no fans.
But its not a myth, its well reported that the players came together to discuss a change of playing
Think it is normally the result between the tied teams which is the first consideration.
So it's a relatively minor issue, ie in our own hand (unfortunately :P)
I am so bloody tired of hearing about the system. What effing system? Is it the same one that keeps creativity like that Wes Hoolahan and Andy Reid possess, out of the team? If that was the system on Friday night I'd rather see organized chaos.
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