I have opened this thread to continue some of the interesting ideas that were being discussed in the now closed thread. All comments on the topic are appreciated.
Would be interesting to know if the Supporters Club we want a seat on the board.Originally Posted by KK77
Last edited by dahamsta; 17/09/2012 at 10:03 AM.
Roo69 and Albatross, have both raised valid concerns.
The current board are, E Cox and J O’Neill
The filed accounts show that E Cox owns shares of 4194
The share capital is 817430 so the board own 0.5% of the shares.
Who owns the rest of the shares?
Why are they not on the board?
Are the board just a front for those really running the club?
Why the shyness?
Just a few of the questions that I’d love answers too.
I have to ask the question why the previous directors were never replaced, leaving two to run the show.
Serious issues are raised, which are not being debated or answered.
You would like to think they would but i would have my thoughts any of them would want to rock the boat with the powers that be behind the scences.
I really think the free season ticket situation needs to be looked at. It's a disgrace that they are being handed out. People moan and crib about locals not supporting the club while claiming their love for the club yet these same people are taking free season tickets. I know for a fact that PD was handing them out himself. Now that beggers belief.
Lets talk about six baby
As a long time supporter of LOI and Bray I find the comments of Albatross interesting. As a supporter I would think it is a good idea for supporters to join the board, and I would consider it. Any other supporters interested? FCB as Bray not Barca with local involvement? Over to you/
KK77 please say more on 'rocking the boat' of the powers that be!!!!!!!!!!!!! What do you mean?
Last edited by dahamsta; 17/09/2012 at 10:04 AM.
I really think the free season ticket situation needs to be looked at. It's a disgrace that they are being handed out. People moan and crib about locals not supporting the club while claiming their love for the club yet these same people are taking free season tickets. I know for a fact that PD was handing them out himself. Now that beggers belief.[/QUOTE]
There are a few people that think they own the club and that it is their private fiefdom. What about the next generation, when will the supporters be given a say or will we just have more of the same?
Since you ask the question I did a bit of digging online in the companies office and I came across these companies who according to the B5 forms on file own around 25% Bray Wanderers
Mercer Investment Company 161629 shares
HR Holfeld Limited 34350 shares
They are both registered at the same address in Stillorgan
This thread is supposed to be about 'where to now for Bray Wanderers' so main questions are who owns the club, what have they done with it and what are they going to bring to it going forward.
The only people that can answer that are the directors of the club and we are not going to hear the answers here. That's why it would be good to have a supporters representative on the board.
The board have always claimed that they are only custodians of the club and to keep it alive for future generations.
The club was held as an example to other LOI clubs as to how to a club should be run, that was under the previous board of which there is now only one member left.
Begs the question why get rid of a board if this was the case?
The usual story I guess, someone didn't like someone, didn't want them on the board, so kick them out, come on somebody must have the full story on how the board members were creamed, lets get it out in the open
With the game being live on friday lets be honest the home crowd wont be the same as a normal game. Why dont the club offer half price or discounted tickets to all supporters who attend the game??? Might get few more in that will spend on gift shop or lotto or sweets etc!!
Harry and Liam, Harry and Liam, Harry and Liam, Harry and Liam.
HR Holfeld Limited 34350 shares
Richard Holfeld has been involved with the club since late eighties, he negotiated a bonus for winning the cup in 1990 with the players, not too sure if he is still involved today.
Do you mean he actually put up the bonus himself fro the players frm his own pocket. Is that how he got the shares?
Starryknight asked to come back to the subject ‘Where to now for Bray Wanderers’
Albatross has uncovered the largest shareholder is R Holfeld.
We have learnt that the current board has only 0.5% ownership, so clearly they are not in any position to make strategic decisions or development plans.
Albatross has asked for the Supporters to get involved on the board (any thoughts on this)
I think Captain2007 may have his facts wrong, as my memory of 1990 does not recall R Holfeld at the club.
Albatross has made the point that under the last board the club was held as a LOI example club. So why have they gone?
So where to now for Bray Wanderers?
Where do the current owners see the club developing over the next 3-5years.
What is the plan/strategy?
As a Bray Wanderers supporter, I think the idea of Albatross of Supporter involvement at board level is bang on.
Any ideas out there on this?
It's more likely that it was the 1999 cup win as he didn't squire shares until 2005
I think a lot more transparency from the board is needed. There's nothing specific out there about a development plan for the club, for example, just some vague stuff. I'd like to see specific, measurable, achievable goals for the club out there on the website, at the very least, preferably all over the town, showing the club has ambition and intends on achieving things.
Transparency that would be good. That Mercer Investment Company holding all those shares in the club, a quick look at the Companies Registration Office shows that it dosn't exist, hasn't files accounts in ages!
Type Company Number 75379 Name MERCER INVESTMENT COMPANY Address 2-4, MERVILLE ROAD,
STILLORGAN,
CO. DUBLIN.Registered 13/05/1980 Status Dissolved
Effective date: 06/11/1990Last AR Date 23/10/1981 Next AR Date 23/10/2002 Last Accounts to Date Not Available
Agree completely, here are a few ideas I'm just throwing out for discussion
Maximum term of office (e.g. 3 years) for Directors then they must resign and if they wish seek re-election
Maximum term of office for President (e.g. 5 years) even the President of Ireland has to seek re-election
Position of Chairman should be rotated annually among the directors or even better still an independent chairman from outside the club.
Position on the board for a supporters club representative.
The club needs to actively engage with the people of Bray to make it more community based.
A business plan produced and updated annually and presented to the AGM, where there are supporters club representatives.
Negotiate a 99 year lease on the ground with the Council.
Use of the ground for other activities.
I can believe the on the day of the Airshow the club are not using the ground to run a concert for example.
Farmers Market on Saurday
Car boot Sales
Plan to upgrade the toilet facilities at the ground.
I’m sure the people of Bray are not bereft of ideas but has anyone at the club ever listened
I tried a few of these things before during my time at the club... Looked into the possibility of holding concerts in the Carlisle, Insurance was mental ! Also had the idea of an open air cinema during the summer months but again was held back by insurance and before the council tried it we mulled over an ice rink in november/ december / january but the price was way out of the club's league at the time. Think it was about 250k at the time if not more !
Car boot sale has been tried within the last year and didn't work out as far as i know and we looked into a farmers market at once stage too
clubhouse with a decent bar was the best idea but that money disappeared somewhere
Fundraising campaign for that could be a decent way of getting the club's name out there and raising awareness, while getting money together for the project.
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