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    Atm, it's all new to them. But the novelty will wear off soon. They are struggling away from home, playing in front of small crowds and small grounds eventually takes it's toll, and they'll end up being dragged down to their opponents level. That's before you mention all the players who have walked out and drastic reductions made in their budget. It's going to be a long hard road back to the big league for Rangers, and much more difficult than some people assume,

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    So it's official, Glasgow Rangers are playing their football in a mediocre league with poor footballers...

    Just like last season.

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    Interesting thread. Or has become with that IT story.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...323462066.html

    Obviously have no time for The Rangers/Sevco etc. However they should walk that division.

    And their current side is probably just about good enough to beat even an LOI 'Select'.

    Not that I'd want them to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    much more difficult than some people assume,
    It's the Scottish Third Division FFS. If Gretna could cruise from the Third to the Premier, Rangers can.

    The players who've walked are irrelevant; it's the players who they have who are important.

    And they're getting the same crowds for East Stirling as they were for Hearts, so the budget will be plenty big enough to get back into the Premier without a bother.

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    The real challenge for them will come when they get back to the SPL and find themselves unable to compete with Celtic, and possibly Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hibs, or Hearts for a few seasons. The crowds might turn up to see them hammer Annan Athletic, but watching them struggle to fourth place in the league might have a worse effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    The real challenge for them will come when they get back to the SPL and find themselves unable to compete with Celtic, and possibly Dundee United, Aberdeen, Hibs, or Hearts for a few seasons. .
    What makes you think they wouldn't be able to compete with Dundee Utd / Hibs / Aberdeen etc when the return to the SPL ? They will probably beat Motherwell in the cup in a few weeks - Motherwell who are currently top of the SPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    What makes you think they wouldn't be able to compete with Dundee Utd / Hibs / Aberdeen etc when the return to the SPL ? They will probably beat Motherwell in the cup in a few weeks - Motherwell who are currently top of the SPL.
    Because they will have had four seasons of reduced revenue, and the other clubs will have been picking up TV money and European windfalls. I think it will take Rangers a few more years to catch up with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    TV money
    Rangers have already been on TV more times than all the other clubs you mention above combined and its only the 4th of September

    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    European windfalls.
    How much money do they get exactly for getting knocked out in the 1st qualifying round they enter ?

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    The Europa Clubs got €90k, Motherwell will get €200k (ish)
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    Thanks! But more of a rhetorical question for Peadar and his "european windfalls" now that Rangers are out of the SPL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    Thanks! But more of a rhetorical question for Peadar and his "european windfalls" now that Rangers are out of the SPL!
    its hard to tell whats rhetorical and what's serious in this thread. There's 10+ posts on whether rangers will qualify out of the Scottish 4th tier FFS
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    How much are they in debt? As in, how much can they actually afford to pay players, even despite the big crowds etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid View Post
    Rangers have already been on TV more times than all the other clubs you mention above combined and its only the 4th of September
    I thought they were under the standard SFL TV rights deal though. As in they'd get the same as any other club in Division 3, no matter how often they were on TV. I know the extra exposure will earn them more in advertising, but I doubt it's enough to offset the loss.

    This source, seems to suggest that the SPL will be splitting £50m between the 12 clubs over the next 5 years, whereas the SFL will be splitting £15m between 30 clubs over the same time period.

    If Rangers get back-to-back promotions all the way to the SPL in three years, they'll still have lost out on roughly £2m, which is a lot in SPL terms.

    How much money do they get exactly for getting knocked out in the 1st qualifying round they enter ?
    No need for sarcasm.

    And no reason to assume that the runners-up will be knocked out in the first qualifying round each year they enter as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    If Rangers get back-to-back promotions all the way to the SPL in three years, they'll still have lost out on roughly £2m, which is a lot in SPL terms.
    Can't for the life of me see how a £2m difference in revenue in 3 years is going to hinder competitiveness when Rangers get back into the SPL. Especially when you compare Rangers' other revenue streams with Aberdeen/Hibs/Hearts etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    No need for sarcasm.
    Don't be so sensitive - the assertion that Rangers will lose out on "european windfalls" to other SPL clubs, looking at SPL clubs abysmal record in europe this year, Celtic aside, is ridiculous, and has no basis in reality whatsoever. In fact I think Rangers would have a better chance in Europe themselves if they qualified through the cup - if it weren't for the fact that they are banned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peadar1987 View Post
    If Rangers get back-to-back promotions all the way to the SPL in three years, they'll still have lost out on roughly £2m, which is a lot in SPL terms.
    If they can sign starting players from Hearts when they're in the Third Division, they'll have no problems building a squad capable of second when they get back to the SPL. Whether they can challenge Celtic - in the immediate term anyway - is another matter.

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    How much are they in debt? As in, how much can they actually afford to pay players, even despite the big crowds etc.
    They're not in any debt. It's a new company. Only issue is that there's now a transfer embargo on them (I think it came into effect on deadline day, which is why they could sign yer man Templeton)

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    they cant sign any new players until January 2014 (dunno about free agents though?)

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    The League Of Ireland - where fans of clubs get fed up talking about fixing their own broken league and move onto solving the crisis at Rangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudulika View Post
    How much are they in debt? As in, how much can they actually afford to pay players, even despite the big crowds etc.
    They have the potential of still having to pay part of an almost £100 million+ VAT bill still, surely?

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    Why? Company went into liquidation, new company formed. Same as Cork and Derry, who haven't needed to pay (financially) for their old clubs' messes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Why? Company went into liquidation, new company formed. Same as Cork and Derry, who haven't needed to pay (financially) for their old clubs' messes.
    Still same club

    http://www.scottishfootballleague.com/club/rangers/

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