Clubs divided over future LOI format?

**osarusan** · 06/09/2012, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by A N Mouse

A flawed system was ill-conceived, and unnecessary, in the first place.

Ill-conceived, yes, but unnecessary - no. That has nothing to do with it.

Is some kind of system regulating clubs' budgeting and facilities effectively a good thing? Yes.

Is our current system regulating clubs' budgeting and facilities effectively? No.

**geezer** · 06/09/2012, 10:53 AM

Its not the process its the policing of it. You can sign any declaration tick every box and presto your in. A 1day annual visit to each club to look at ceditors listing tax returns and bank statements by an auditor would help highlight danger b4 it gets out of hand

**A N Mouse** · 06/09/2012, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Ill-conceived, yes, but unnecessary - no. That has nothing to do with it.

Is some kind of system regulating clubs' budgeting and facilities effectively a good thing? Yes.

Is our current system regulating clubs' budgeting and facilities effectively? No.

Either you've misread me, or I've come across like a piece of beach footwear.

I think we�re broadly in agreement on the need for licensing. Though we would seem to disagree on just how broken the current system is.

However I would ask- if the current system is so broken, has any good come of it?

I would contend, as I stated previously, that it has moved us in the right direction

**A N Mouse** · 06/09/2012, 6:24 PM

Originally Posted by geezer

Its not the process its the policing of it. You can sign any declaration tick every box and presto your in. A 1day annual visit to each club to look at ceditors listing tax returns and bank statements by an auditor would help highlight danger b4 it gets out of hand

Semantics - thats still process.

**adamd164** · 07/09/2012, 4:15 PM

Had a browse of the Star earlier in Easons and happened on Pat Dolan's column.

As he does from time to time, he made some very valid points about playing a series of fixtures on the same day as an Irish international. The image that it portrays (rather than just possibly impacting on crowds) is just amateur and defeatist to the core. If we're competing for the hearts and minds of the Irish general public, then they'll rightly see us as a pub setup until basic things like this change.

**adamd164** · 07/09/2012, 4:51 PM

Slightly off topic, but anyone hear the boys on RTE patronisingly talk about how some of the Kazakhstan players had been playing against St. Pats just recently, seemed like they were trying not to laugh.

Have a bit of schadenfreude watching Ireland losing now tbh.

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/09/2012, 4:53 PM

The lads in the studio? Geore Hamilton referenced it during the commentary too but in a neutral way.

**adamd164** · 07/09/2012, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

The lads in the studio? Geore Hamilton referenced it during the commentary too but in a neutral way.

Bill O'Herlihy mentioned it earlier in studio too..."Surely there's no way we can't win, I mean St. Pat's essentially beat this team not so long ago!" Along those lines.

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/09/2012, 4:58 PM

The irony being that Pats won because they play actual football.

**nigel-harps1954** · 07/09/2012, 5:07 PM

So, essentially, we're looking at sending out Pat's team in the return game in the Aviva to show how it's done?

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/09/2012, 5:08 PM

Depends who the manager is.

**Spudulika** · 07/09/2012, 6:37 PM

James McClean stirring on twitter - no sour grapes I guess....

Very happy that an ex-LOI man did the business on the night, would love to see this highlighted in our meeja. It's about time we followed a national plan to develop players. I might be wrong, but last time I was there one of the sports people told me that they're trying to develop players in a German way, could be wrong but it wasn't Dutch anyway. And they've nice little training bases for players. In tennis they just go to Russia and buy players, but in football and fighting sports they're trying to develop them. It just shows how far Irish football is, we send our kids over to be destroyed in Britain.

**Mark** · 07/09/2012, 8:35 PM

Originally Posted by adamd164

Slightly off topic, but anyone hear the boys on RTE patronisingly talk about how some of the Kazakhstan players had been playing against St. Pats just recently, seemed like they were trying not to laugh.

Have a bit of schadenfreude watching Ireland losing now tbh.

Hamilton said something in commentary but it wasn't offence in any way. If O'Herlihy said what is being claimed here then he should apologise but we would be waiting a long time for that. I'm surprised he even knew Pat's played a Kazakh team....a year ago...

**SkStu** · 07/09/2012, 9:18 PM

He doesn't really have anything to apologise for other than being an ignorant tw@t in general. His latest comments aren't all that offensive and probably reflective of a few conversations in the build up to the game.

He's still an ignorant tw@t though, don't get me wrong!

**pineapple stu** · 08/09/2012, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mark

Hamilton said something in commentary but it wasn't offence in any way. If O'Herlihy said what is being claimed here then he should apologise but we would be waiting a long time for that. I'm surprised he even knew Pat's played a Kazakh team....a year ago...

Nothing wrong with what O'Herlihy said. The entire Kazakh team bar one play in the domestic league. Pat's beat one of their sides (including at least one player who played tonight) last year. Ireland should have had no problem given Pat's could win. Valid way of putting the Kazakh team in context.

**adamd164** · 08/09/2012, 9:50 AM

On the format of the league, maybe I'm reading it wrong but the fact that Mervue and Salthill are on this sub-committee of clubs who are looking at possible changes in format surely suggests that they both intend on hanging around next year!?

**Charlie Darwin** · 08/09/2012, 1:41 PM

Or maybe they just like going to meetings.

**Dodge** · 10/09/2012, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Nothing wrong with what O'Herlihy said. The entire Kazakh team bar one play in the domestic league. Pat's beat one of their sides (including at least one player who played tonight) last year. Ireland should have had no problem given Pat's could win. Valid way of putting the Kazakh team in context.

None of them realilsed that Pats actually lost in Kazakhstan, but sure why would they care? hamilton referenced it in commentary merely to say the guy played for Shakter, who Pats played last year. matter of fact stuff

Didn't hear Billo but doesn't sound patronising from the quotes above.

**nigel-harps1954** · 10/09/2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

None of them realilsed that Pats actually lost in Kazakhstan, but sure why would they care? hamilton referenced it in commentary merely to say the guy played for Shakter, who Pats played last year. matter of fact stuff

Didn't hear Billo but doesn't sound patronising from the quotes above.

I think it's a case of people looking to nitpick and find any reason to criticise anyone who looks at the league even slightly sideways.

**pineapple stu** · 10/09/2012, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

None of them realilsed that Pats actually lost in Kazakhstan, but sure why would they care? hamilton referenced it in commentary merely to say the guy played for Shakter, who Pats played last year. matter of fact stuff

In fairness, Pat's won on aggregate; I think it was still a valid enough point to bring up as about the only point of reference to Kazakh football.

I don't doubt that he was likely just reading words off a page without necessarily knowing who Karagandy or St Pat's were.