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Thread: Kazakhstan V Republic of Ireland - Friday, 7th September 2012 - World Cup 2014 Q

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    On a hard, bouncy, artifical pitch the dumbest thing to do is to play high balls. The abll takes longer to get under control and plays right into the opposition's hands in my opinion.
    Funny; on commentary, Whelan and Hamilton said exactly the opposite. Literally from kick off, I think they said that long balls was the way to go on this pitch - keep it off the surface.

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    Eoin Hand was saying it was exactly the wrong thing to be doing!

    If the ball rolls true but bounces high, I'd agree with Hand.

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    Of course they are told to kick it long. The first thing we did in the game was tip off, and pass it back to Ward to send it long. That was our gameplan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Of course he can. He was most vocal in criticism of the long ball game after Russia at home. I think there are other reasons for the hoofball. Andrews wrote on saturday that they're not told to do it so to me it would indicate that nobody ahead of Dunne in midfield is demanding the ball.
    Well if he was such a leader he would lead by example and pass the ball. He doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    So refreshing to see that when compared with Whelan running away from the full backs and wingers when they need support or an out ball .....
    That's what he is instructed to do. That's why he's an automatic starter for Trapattoni. He does what he is told, no questions asked. McCarthy is still learning the Trapattoni way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Of course he can. He was most vocal in criticism of the long ball game after Russia at home. I think there are other reasons for the hoofball. Andrews wrote on saturday that they're not told to do it so to me it would indicate that nobody ahead of Dunne in midfield is demanding the ball.
    I don't know why Andrews is saying that when Trapatonni admitted yesterday that he sends the team out to conserve energy by playing the long ball and hoping an Irish player gets on the second ball. "We had to save energy," he said. "So the long ball, and second ball, and then we play. We're not Manchester United -- tip, tip, tip, tip. We needed our strength

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    I don't know why Andrews is saying that ..
    It's quite simple. You don't criticise or give any hint of criticism if you want to play.

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    Well if thats the case then we wont see mccarthy again or he will be moulded into a Trap player.

    Seriously, another player like him in midfield and we wouldn't have half the problems.
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    The most remarkable thing about the game was not that we scored 2 late goals but that we survived a blatant reckless Hamilton jinx, a surefire jinx saying we had the 3 points in the bag with 5 minutes left to play, that would have finished us off in the past.

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    and the white away jersey jinx
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    its funny how trap set out the stall at the start of his tenure to defend set pieces well and to stop conceding sloppy goals through lapses of comcentration. And we did so for about 2 years but now its gone full circle.does this in itself "when trap is lying awake at night" not ring any alarm bells?

    to be honest they never looked like doing anything in the second half. but we always looked like we could make a stupid mistake.

    id agree with stutts.the ball.was bouncing awful high and impossible to get onto or control when hoofed up.im sure walters would blame it as a major factor in him having a poor game

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    The are to part to a pass, one is the kicking of the ball and the other is movement of players to receive a pass.

    You can the best passer in the world but you will never complete a pass if players do not make themselves available.

    IMO the movement is more important than the passing of the ball, it's more hard work than finesse in a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeathDrog View Post
    People will make the point that the FAI cannot afford to sack Trap. That is fairly true, but more what they cannot afford is an empty Aviva. Judging by this, even the Germany game will struggle to sell out, and if it does it's only because people will want to see a fantastic away team in action. Who in their right mind would pay 35/50 Euro to watch that scutter. I have slated stay away fans in the past but now I can't see why anyone would pay their hard earned money to watch that.
    I would because I support my team whether they play "scutter" or Brazil/Spain like football.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    @MeathDrog For god sake, watching Ireland has never been for entertainment purposes. Everyone has their passions and for me following Ireland is mine. Sometimes (e.g. 80 mins on Friday) I do question myself and particularly its effect on my health, but you cant change it. Nothing beats Ireland success for me, while at the same time, the lowest sporting low is an Ireland defeat.
    That doesnt mean you should applaud all the day long, of course not, but support the team I will. Many of the older lads will tell you of the days when finishing third in a group was success - we are somewhat spoiled in the last 25 years by comparison. If I had the Euros, id go to every away match, great supporters, with a real passion for the team. Unfortunately you dont always get the same level of support for attendees at home matches (that can almost be applied to every sport mind you).

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    I would because I support my team whether they play "scutter" or Brazil/Spain like football.
    Several times I have asked people on here to point out when Ireland were a consistently entertaining team to watch and I've yet to get a satisfactory reply.

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    Under Hand, at the beginning. And under Mick, again at the start. Albeit, not every single game! More than now.

    OK it wasn't Brazil, but it was better than the current regime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Several times I have asked people on here to point out when Ireland were a consistently entertaining team to watch and I've yet to get a satisfactory reply.
    Its a Forum Charlie, we're not on Mailbag.
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    The stick of "entertaining football" is bojjox. It's used to beat teams that prove the talking heads wrong and mess up their accumulators. If "entertaining football" is the caveat for people to kick down the gates and sell out grounds, then certain LOI clubs would be laughing all the way to the bank. "Fans" will be told who and what to follow, supporters will support no matter what. I enjoyed the style of football Jack Charlton employed as it was attacking, risky and aggressive, plus it suited the general mentality (GAA - lump the ball up to the big man on the square and the corner forwards nip in for breaks; Rugby - Garryowen and chase down the fullback). Only Spain can play like Spain (and it's cat), it's the usual anomaly of "the Roy Keane's of this world" - name them! Or do they mean the header who used to play for Ireland? Ireland play like Ireland, that's it. When Trap does go it'll be a matter of time before the next incumbent gets it in the neck, and Dunphy's seat will be kept warm by a less rounded and knowledgeable backside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Under Hand, at the beginning. And under Mick, again at the start. Albeit, not every single game! More than now.

    OK it wasn't Brazil, but it was better than the current regime...
    Has anyone else noticed this creep in since the Euros - Trap now is part of a regime! Of course it's the ultimate use of language to discredit and turn off the average punter, and if he's not careful he'll suffer a drone strike pretty soon (rather than the droning strike which has been ongoing since the Euros).

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    Yep, we all know what happened when there was a mass move towards regime change. I thought it was just about a football manager.

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