I know they were all hoofing it, I was just using him as an example. I thought the Doc made the best effort of the defenders to pass the ball, and McCarthy did always present himself. I just think defenders are a bit stupid and need to be conditioned to pass the ball. Roy Keane wouldn't be satisfied with simply presenting for the ball.Originally Posted by geysir
It wasn't great but we had a good Andrews goal disallowed and a stonewall penalty against Doyle not awarded, both in the first half - more than we managed in the first 87 mins tonight. We were blessed when they hit the post at 0-1 half way through the second half and then we got a soft penno and Keane scored the winner with his shoulder.
You're thinking Albania, Doherty "forced" an OG. But Kerr was a miracle worker at that stage.
Edit: sorry, you're thinking of Georgia away under Kerr when KK had a knife thrown at him. I don't think we were 1 down in that game. 1 up, then 1-1 and then Breen set up the Ginger Pele for the winner afair.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 07/09/2012 at 7:42 PM.
Just watched the post match panel/interviews on RTE. I'm surprised (well not really) that nobody mentioned Giles resignation from the Irish managers job after an equally inept scraped win to Cyprus many moons ago (also first match of qualifying). I didn't see/hear anything from the Trapatonni that suggested he would do likewise. And Brady was talking complete nonsense. "the players should tell Trap to change. We won't qualify but there is no point sacking Trap because who will step in". Defeatist clap trap.
We won 2-1 away, but the 2-1 at home was shocking IIRC. The away performance wasn't so bad, mainly as we had Steven Reid in midfield.
I was thinking about that match actually. The line-up was:
Given
Finnan (enforced change - retirement)
Dunne
O'Shea
Kilbane (enforced change - retirement)
Hunt (Duff injured)
S. Reid (enforced change - retirement)
Whelan
McGeady
Doyle
Keane
Interesting to point out that 7 of that team started against Croatia in the Euros. And that the changes were pretty much enforced through injury and retirement.
However, 8 of the starting xi of today's team were handed their debuts under Trap, so stats prove everything I guess.
wrt Noely's post, the players should do what they're told. The manager should tell them to do the right things. No manager would have any credibility if he did what the players wanted him to do if it was different to what they were doing previously. The manager should know what to tell the players to do and they should all be told to do what they're able to do. How much does a good football manager earn these days? Duh.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 07/09/2012 at 7:47 PM.
During the Charlton years Roy Keane spent most of his time looking up at the sky.
But Trap has clearly lost it. With most managers I disagree with one or two of the picks. But it's getting to the stage where I disagree with five or six of the players that Trap has picked. It's comical. I mean, we are dropping Premier League starters for a guy who scrapes by in the Championship and a guy who left the Championship to play for one of the poorer MLS teams. It's beyond a joke.
Last edited by brine3; 07/09/2012 at 7:47 PM.
Thanks for the correction Stutts... All those crap performances feel the same after a while...
Poor old KK...suh a decent lad getting a knife thrown at him...
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
haha no under Trap when we got a rediculous penalty from a hand ball that was never a hand ball
"There's man all over for you, blaming on his boots the fault of his feet" - Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot
Just watching the German v Faroes game first half and Germany look like a team a little short on confidence although winning 2-0. I thought a few of them choked in the Euros game against Italy. Get a new manager in who will almost certainly pick a completely different Irish team and give it a real go against them. As I mentioned in another thread I would go with
Westwood
Kelly JOS Dunne Wilson
McGeady McCArthy Meyler McClean
Walters/Doyle Long
Take off the straight jacket
Haunted!
His distribution from RB is horrendous and seemingly defies the law of averages. Ward isn't any better.
Stuttgart mentioned speculative passes, but tonight was like going the Hail Mary route from the get-go. Against an outfit like that. Bewildering stuff.
If there's anyone out there who thinks our problems are team selection I despair at your lack of perception and wisdom.
Last edited by Murfinator; 07/09/2012 at 8:50 PM.
O'Shea gave an interview on RTE radio last night saying he can't play (his words)at right back anymore because of loss of speed. Hence the switch back to center half at Sunderland. What a bizarro week it has been.
Trap has become increasingly eccentric in his selections but I'd love to know here the money is going to come from to pay him off and bring in a new manager. There can be few excuses for the performance tonight but he has to be given the next couple of games at least to turn things around. If we drop points in the Faroes serious questions can be raised about his future. Tonight is a stay of execution. He has had luck on his side against the lower ranked teams. Today, Cyprus away, Georgia home, Armenia away even Macedonia at home. Kazakhstan aren't at the level of Cyprus or those teams but they aren't complete no hopers like San Marino or Andorra.
It can be hard to pick things up after a major championship and we have got results against teams like that over the years (Denmark, Croatia, Holland, Switzerland, France etc.) I could see us conceding a goal from very early as the defensive partnership looked far from steady, allied to a new keeper it was always going to be difficult. Having said that Ward did terribly for the free kick which led to the goal. Another soft one from a set piece is a concern. We had cut out those sort of goals a year or so agao with all those clean sheets but now we are back conceding those kind of sloppy goals and it will be punished ruthlessly as the campagin progresses
This performance won't be good enough in any other game but right now we have got away with it and ensured the qualification campaign didn't end on day 1. Hopefully we can just have a cut against Germany, nothing to lose. Faroes is must win and then onto the make or break games next March.
give us the benefit of your perception and wisdom then.
In fairness I thought it was a good goal. The defender was the right side of the goalscorer but it was a well delivered free and well met by the attacker before a defender could put pressure on him, and a well directed header. It was an utterly stupid free to concede though, junior league stuff.
Absolutely terrible performance. So so predictible - long balls up to Walters all the time. I like Walters but even if he was world class, it wouldn't make a difference because the other team will always know what we're going to do. Having said that, I genuinely feared this game and I'm over the moon at the result. Delighted for Doyler and hope it marks an upturn for him, but right now, I'd still have Walters over him (if we could just be less predictible). Very concerned about O'Shea. I like Westwood and I'm pleased with O'Dea's ability to do a job when needed.
From viewing the Oman game as a pile of crap, I know would view it as a game where we can hopefully get Coleman and Wilson involved. I'd also like to start Long. Would be great to see Wes Hoolahan and Clarke involved, but that's being too ambitious of Trap.
Looked like an out an out dive to get that free, maybe 5% push / 95% simulation.
Thanks, I looked on RTE player about a hour ago and could find nothing concerning the game.
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