Anyone know a place that might be showing this in the Hammersmith / Fulham area?
I think that was just his engine getting him everywhere at once. I think, along with injuries, it was the reason he hit the wall in his early 30s when most midfield players are still going strong.
Anyone know a place that might be showing this in the Hammersmith / Fulham area?
I'd rather us play entertaining football and lose, than see them play in their creatively bankrupt fashion & draw. It's that simple for me. The Irish football team is more than just results or what tournament we go to - it's about pride & more importantly, self-respect: and I don't believe that Trap's format does anything for the latter. In fact I think it has the opposite result - he's effectively saying to the team & the nation "you're no good, don't try and be more than you are, just play this way and hope to scrap it out". Playing for your country should enlarger players' skillset & self-belief, not shrink & frustrate it.
I think some people have a warped view of how entertaining the football we used to play was. We have always been comparatively industrial in our style of hoofball. 2000-2002 is probably the best football we've ever played, but it didn't last very long.
For the most part though that'd be correct, they aren't good enough. The majority of our players are brought up through the most inept coaching system in Europe (England) so they're trained to be good at one thing and one thing only: being disciplined in a results business. Asking our players to be creative or expressive is a difficult feat because it goes against the training they've had their whole career.Originally Posted by amaccann
I'd love our team to play like that too but it isn't going to happen unless England change their coaching philosophy or we start incentivising our young players to develop in higher skilled academies and play for more technical.
When the majority of your players play for scrappy hoofball sides like Stoke or Wolves you're going to wind up with a poor standard of game. It's not really something we can fix with a new international manager.
I'd mostly agree with that but he could at least try and get them to keep a bit more possession.
I know we probably shouldn't being expecting to have more possession than teams like Spain and Italy but too much in the past we have conceeded far too much posession to teams that were technically on a par with or lower than us (Slovakia for example).
A lot of the time a player just hoofs the ball forward and loses posession rather than taking the simple short pass and keeping possesion.
I know the "English" style of coaching may contribute to this but we have enough players playing at a high enough level that they should be able to string a few passes together before launching into an attack.
With players like McCarthy, Gibson (if available), McGeady, Keane etc. we should be capable of a bit more, especially against weaker teams.
Slovakia technically on a par or lower than us? I disagree.
Funnily enough, I think England is turning a corner with regard to youth development and coaching. It's mainly been down to the clubs' academies but I was watching arsenal last week asking myself where are our Jenskinsons, Gibbs, Oxlades, and Liverpool's Sterling. They have a good bunch of young keepers coming through too.
So what you're saying is...
Bring back Stan!
I think you could have said the same thing at any point in the last few years. I think English players are becoming more technical but it's hardly been a seachange. They (and we) are still the dinosaurs of world football.
No that was Friday, that's what happened!!!
If the Traps system was in anyway good enough with competing with good teams I would have no problem backing it. Fact is it has been proven to be an inferior system every time we play against a mediocre or better technical team. The system is not good enough try a different one. Should be this simple. If you're not trying to make things better you're holding everybody back.
We won't qualify and even if we did it'd be rubbish to watch... With this regime.
The only good thing about Trap is he's the sort of coach who can bore us through a campaign with conceding very few goals, usually. But precious little else.
I don't know Arthur. Our group in the WC would be a lot different than Croatia, Italy and ESP. You can play a bad team in the World Cup.
I hope we make it and Trap gets another chance. If it doesn't work out we will get a manager to play all this savvy attacking football everyone on here wants (with players at this time undetermined of course.) (Or maybe by 2016 they will allow "FIFA cloning" and we can dig up George Best, have his corpse declare for Ireland and clone it 20 times.)
No Somos muchos pero estamos locos.
I'm not convinced it lasted longer than that opening qualifier against the Dutch tbh! I can vividly remember being shocked for all the right reasons.
Anyway, prediction: 0-2.
Quite relaxed about this one, no matter who occupies the left wing.
We played some lovely stuff in that campaign. We were magnificent against Spain I think. Possibly the best ever performance by an Irish side, albeit we should have beaten a below-average Spain side.
What if we are the bad team...?
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Just out of interest, how will the Trap fanboys (joke!) react if we don't win on Friday while playing the usual turgid sh!te
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Are you even an Ireland fan anymore? Any Irish fan worth their skin would like the win, regardless of performance. It's 10 years since we've been to a World Cup. And as for pride & self-respect? Despite how the Euros turned out I felt more proud of an Irish team in my lifetime, as I watched the National Anthem before the Croatia game. And I can guarantee you that I was prouder than I would have been playing lovely football away against Russia and losing 2-0.
the average goals scored by all the 2nd place teams in the euro qualifiers was 16, we scored 15 (excluding play off). The 16 average is actually inflated by portugals 31 as they were in with san marino who conceeded over 50.
it seems most runners up achieved this in similar fashion. dont risk too much in attack to ensure you conceed as little as possible
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