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    James Mc Clean ‏@JMcC_23
    off to kazakhstan in the mornin.. 9 hour flight fun.. #100%fit

    Mc Clean saying he is 100% fit ... Trap saying he has a sort throat. This should be interesting ...

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    Trapattoni said yesterday (Tuesday): "McClean came here with a sore throat. This morning he was better but now he has a little problem with it.
    "I think he will be okay in one day(Wednesday/ today). Then we will make a decision. "That's all we can do."
    http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...st-kazakhstan/

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    I'd like to see how we line-up. If he at least attempts some fluidity between a 4-4-2/4-3-3 I'd be slightly happier, but the omens don't look good. I'm mostly annoyed O'Shea's still at flipping right back - a complete waste of time.
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    Who'd be your preferred right-back? Kelly?
    More bothered about Ward, personally...

    http://footballrepublic.ie/mcclean-w...r-due-illness/

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    I see it as most likely being a 4-2-3-1

    O'Shea Sledge O'Dea Ward
    ---- Whelan McCarthy ----
    -- McGeady Keane Cox ---
    ------- Walters ----------

    I suspect Wilson will come on for Ward at some point. Trap trying Kelly out there v Serbia suggests he see's it as a problem position. But I like the look of it. In McCarthy we have a midfielder who sit deep and can pass the ball, and he will have 3 creative players in front of him to give it to. That should give a side as poor as Kazakhstan more problems than they can cope with.

    The other big priority we should have is improving defending set pieces. That will be their main threat and we were far to poor at the Euros at defending them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy View Post
    Who'd be your preferred right-back? Kelly?
    More bothered about Ward, personally...

    http://footballrepublic.ie/mcclean-w...r-due-illness/
    They both bother me, I just didn't expect him to change Ward.

    Kelly would be my choice, but O'Brien, Coleman or Wilson would've done. O'Shea's been a bit of a disaster at right back recently, and his presence there is a big problem for us with the ball. He doesn't go forward with any purpose and his distribution is dreadful (tends to lump it, ask questions later). I think a more natural right full would play the ball better and offer more balance.

    BTW did anyone notice O'Brien appeared to play left back last week for West Ham? Set up a goal too with a foraging forward run if I recall correctly.
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    Aye, agree with all of that SVD and btw's point about learning how to defend set pieces which was frankly shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backtowalsall View Post
    I suspect Wilson will come on for Ward at some point. Trap trying Kelly out there v Serbia suggests he see's it as a problem position. But I like the look of it. In McCarthy we have a midfielder who sit deep and can pass the ball, and he will have 3 creative players in front of him to give it to. That should give a side as poor as Kazakhstan more problems than they can cope with.

    The other big priority we should have is improving defending set pieces. That will be their main threat and we were far to poor at the Euros at defending them.
    Ward was injured, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macdermesser View Post
    James Mc Clean ‏@JMcC_23
    off to kazakhstan in the mornin.. 9 hour flight fun.. #100%fit

    Mc Clean saying he is 100% fit ... Trap saying he has a sort throat. This should be interesting ...
    I'd imagine he is 100% fit. He just has a sore throat as well. A few strepsils and he'll be grand on Friday.

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    I get the impression Trap isn't keen on McClean and would be happy to have a reason to replace him.

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    just to confuse the issue further: http://www.fai.ie/international/seni...4.html?start=1
    All 23 players started the training session but Sunderland winger James McClean didn't finish it as he is still feeling the effects of the sore throat which caused him to miss Monday's session but he was fit to travel to Astana this morning.
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    why is cox even playing?? really annoying, what does shane long have to do to get into this team. were missing out on his best years!!!!! he has pace, great in the air and can score. cox has no pace for a wide position, no pace for any position in fact. same with mcclean, what does he have to do to claim a spot from now on......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duggie View Post
    why is cox even playing?? really annoying, what does shane long have to do to get into this team. were missing out on his best years!!!!! he has pace, great in the air and can score. cox has no pace for a wide position, no pace for any position in fact. same with mcclean, what does he have to do to claim a spot from now on......
    Got to be for non footballing reasons. Not one current Premiership manager would pick that likely team as reported in the IT. McCleans shambles comment after the Euros probably did him in. And Long stating he was fully fit after the Serbia game did him in. All very petty. The nonsense about Duff coming back to play against Germany when they have had no indicators from the player himself reeks of a couple of chancers playing the crowd. And injuries permitting this will be side that will face Germany except McCarthy being dropped for Andrews. And Dunne coming back. All very predictable.
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    its getting very depressing at this stage, my patience with trap is wearing thin. just pick our best players in there position. simple.

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    Cox came on for McGeady against Croatia. Played about 35 mins in a wide position. I'd be surprised if Trapattoni choses he start him in a wide position after his showing in those 35 mins. But he did the same previously with Keogh (ie playing in a position clearly not suited to him) so .....

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    my team would be..start with this and see how we get on. so simple.....

    -------------Westwood--------------------
    Coleman------O'Dea--------O'Shea-----------Wilson
    --------------------Whelan-----------------------
    McGeady------------McCarthy----------------McClean
    ----------Keane-----------------Long

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    He wouldn't play Cox on the wing again would he?

    I've lost all faith in him. I hope he and the team prove me wrong by qualifying for the WC but I fear the worst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    Cox came on for McGeady against Croatia. Played about 35 mins in a wide position. I'd be surprised if Trapattoni choses he start him in a wide position after his showing in those 35 mins. But he did the same previously with Keogh (ie playing in a position clearly not suited to him) so .....
    Trap has made noises about Cox playing off Keane essentially, so possibly playing narrower. Would be no surprise if it was just noise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duggie View Post
    why is cox even playing?? really annoying, what does shane long have to do to get into this team. were missing out on his best years!!!!! he has pace, great in the air and can score. cox has no pace for a wide position, no pace for any position in fact. same with mcclean, what does he have to do to claim a spot from now on......
    Long's been hard done by but Trap's set out his methods about Long quite clearly whether people agree with him or not - he sees him as a direct replacement, not a partner, for Robbie. So it's one or the other for the manager. We can debate Robbie coming in for Long all day long.

    And, in fairness to Cox, people's love affair with Shane makes people forget that Simon has played generally really well for us since coming in, which is a bit unfortunate. He also does have decent top speed, albeit he's not as quick as Long.

    Personally I'd ignore both and play Walters anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crosby87 View Post
    I see your point but You weren't bored watching them play under Staunton, losing to Wales?
    When did we lose to Wales under Staunton? We beat Wales 1-0 at home and drew with them 2-2 in Cardiff during the Euro 2008 qualification campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    I get the impression Trap isn't keen on McClean and would be happy to have a reason to replace him.
    Keen on him personally or as a footballer? I think you're just stirring again. He's still relatively new to the set-up and has been given four caps by Trap. Trap has been willing to give him a chance to break in by starting him in friendlies, but seems to go with his trusted players and methods in competitive games. This is usual for Trap and, whilst frustrating for fans who'd like to see McClean included, doesn't indicate anything personal against McClean. It's not like our options on the wings are skin-bare. I'm confident McClean will break through in time. If Trap really wasn't keen on him, he wouldn't have called him up and could have selected Stephen Hunt instead.

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