Quotei think slovakia were ranked ahead of us when we beat them at home under stan in 2007. beat france over 90 mins in Paris 09Originally Posted by Spudulika
I wasn't saying that beating poor teams made us any great shakes. You know that. I was saying that the media hammers us for not pulverising these teams, yet teams with better pedigree than us did no better against these same teams, and sometimes worse. It was a very simple point. If you want to drop in a comment about you thinking we're a poor team, fine, but don't bring a post of mine saying something else entirely into it.Because beating muck doesnt make Ireland any great shakes. Remind me when we beat a decent team last, must be over ten years at this stage. I doubt the ole ole crowd were celebrating too much when we beat the mighty Faroes, or maybe they were!
I'm well aware when we last beat a good team. What has the ole ole crowd got to do with anything? Who mentioned them? Take your wumming somewhere else, it's pretty tedious. Join in again when you've something sensible to offer, and not laden with poor efforts at sarcasm.
i think slovakia were ranked ahead of us when we beat them at home under stan in 2007. beat france over 90 mins in Paris 09
the "ole ole crowd" have diserted the team for the last 12 months. i doubt they even knew we were playing the FaroesBecause beating muck doesnt make Ireland any great shakes. Remind me when we beat a decent team last, must be over ten years at this stage. I doubt the ole ole crowd were celebrating too much when we beat the mighty Faroes, or maybe they were!
Hmm, could of sworn I heard a rendition of it 10 days ago...
Actually yer man is right;fair play. We were 51st and Slovakia 37th...
Though probably a hollow victory.
"ole ole" the song and the "ole ole crowd" are two different things
someday, somewhere you might just give us the slightest teeny weeny bit of credit. anything will do, even if its that the colour of the jersey was correct
What are you on about...
That's not the question. Most of us know what jbyrne is on about.
The question is, what is the point of your incessant negative/begrudging/sarcastic posts, which have zero constructive content?
Your posts don't even qualify as an opinion.
Clearly they do. Or you wouldn't respond.
And am hardly alone in having negative feelings about Trapp. Unlike some on here, do go to games so am well aware of the 'vibe' of regular fans and it's not always v.polite about our manager or national association.
There's only been six competitive victories over higher ranked opposition, plus the 1-0 win over France in normal time in the Play off
Blogged about it here: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog
Carrying on the bold trends in the latest posts here - it would be near-bearable if you kept it to having negative feelings about Trap. But I'd say what tipped geysir over the edge and made him post what he did, and I don't blame him, is your above post about a game long before Trap even appeared on the scene
Havin a weekend away is quite frankly,lettin ur team mates down!
Hard to believe we'd fallen so low by the time of that Lithuania game. I remember thinking anything but a good win would be unfathomable.
Heh, fair point. Touche...
Ha ha, yes so the media should get excited about us beating faroes and the like? Other teams tend to win other competitions and give top teams a decent run out - Greece, Denmark, Russia, Ukraine......UNLIKE US since 2001 or whatever. Its the media, yes right.
By this logic, there's no point supporting a team, nor giving them any objective credit, unless they are consistently over-achieving far beyond their means or resources.Ha ha, yes so the media should get excited about us beating faroes and the like? Other teams tend to win other competitions and give top teams a decent run out - Greece, Denmark, Russia, Ukraine......UNLIKE US since 2001 or whatever. Its the media, yes right.
Yes, we beat top teams like Portugal, Holland, Croatia and Yugoslavia between 1995 and 2001. We also drew with Liechtenstein, Northern Ireland, Lithuania and Iceland, and lost to Macedonia, in that time. The highs were higher than anything we've seen under Trap, but the lows were much more frustrating, particularly given the quality of players available.
Wins over the likes of Macedonia, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Estonia, Kazakhstan and the Faroes aren't going to get anyone overly excited, but they are the kind of results which get you to major tournaments - not just one-off big performances against top sides. Look at Northern Ireland in 2006/7; beat Spain, Denmark and Sweden... but lost to Latvia and Iceland, and thus failed to qualify. You might think that these results should be taken for granted as a minimum requirement, but results in European football do not back up that assertion.
All the teams you named have slipped up against weaker opposition in recent history; Denmark just lost to Armenia; Greece drew in Moldova a while back; Russia drew in Armenia and Azerbaijan, and lost a playoff to Slovenia; Ukraine have drawn with Belarus and Georgia. Ireland would be hammered by the media if we slipped up against any of those teams, and we are given absolutely no credit for winning against similarly-ranked opposition, which we have done consistently under Trapattoni.
Good points I will give you that, but I do think we are underachieving. Paying a manager two million a year, why cant we do a Greece or a Denmark or at least get to a q-f of a comp.
One year under Jack we bet Holland, Germany and Italy all who had better squads. and when international football was tougher (IMHO). Why do we always settle for mediocrity? We have a decent bunch of players. All teams do slip up but the good ones also do it in the big competitions.
If we really are THAT bad then just give Roddy Collins the job.
The manager is probably under-achieving (in terms of some of his tactical innovation/flexibility), but the players aren't, in the main*
There is a difference.
*
See Messrs.Gibson, Ireland etc.
It's a pity you didn't just say this from the start. I and many others would probably agree with you. Far more constructive than petty sarcastic non sequiturs.
Yeah yeah sure. Original point still stands, beating FIs isnt a big deal in the long term scheme of things
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