Games of the XXX Olympiad - London 2012

[Spudulika]

And he did!!

No way in the world he won the last round 7-5, but whatever.

I thought he won the 1st by more, but drew or lost the last. The crowd did help the judges :-) Great days!

[Spudulika]

Definitely had the last round as a draw at best. Got caught a few times when he was trying to showboat. Great performance though other than that. Paddy Barnes was brilliant considering the hammering he got from the same opponent in the last Olympics, it was a super fight to watch just gutted with the result.

How does the countback work by the way? He seemed to be the busier the last few rounds which I though made him favourite if it went to countback?

It's complicated, but all the 5 judges scores are included, not the 3 closest scoring judges.

[geysir]

I'll take the marks for that last round though, 3-0 against the World nr. 1.
Brilliant from Nevin.
That big screen in Mullingar looks no bigger than a 36" stuck in the corner of the square.

[DannyInvincible]

Gutted for Paddy Barnes. Managed to catch the fight on my lunch-break and it left me in foul form for a Friday afternoon. Really thought he might have snatched it after a mammoth third round effort from him. Gave his all.

[Spudulika]

Mick Conlan going to give it a good rattle. Won't be easy, but fingers crossed.

[DannyInvincible]

Ramirez is an excellent boxer. Conlan comprehensively beaten. Can't really complain and maybe a bit careless to have turned his back at one point in wait of a shout from the ref.

[strangeirish]

Outclassed unfortunately.

[Spudulika]

Beaten by the better boxer. Conlan should go pro now, he'll only stagnate in the amateurs, and needs a punch (ie speed up)

[paudie]

2-2, 1-2, 4-1, 3-3.

I watched it on a stream without commentary and made my own scores before seeing the actual ones. Mine went like this: 2-1, 1-3, 3-1, 2-2. The Russian girl counter-punched beautifully for the first couple of rounds, but when it started edging towards a brawl, Katie got the better of things. I was very nervous waiting for the final score though.

I thought the Russian might have won the last round by point but thought Katie just shaded it overrall.

The Russian had some puss on her during the presentation so it was good to see her and Katie laughing and joking after photos were taken.

[paudie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wo...3_Bantamweight

Campbell beat Nevin on countback in the World Championships last year. Should be a great fight tomorrow.

[paudie]

Peadar - 3 things:
1. It doesn't take great investment or material
2. It suits the Irish mentality
3. It is a sport (amateur) that can be coached to a point where you can win with less talent than other fighters
Add to this the history of Irish sports, the overall support for the sport in all sections of society and the fact that weight categories mean more even competition, we have a winning formula. Of course the IABA have moved to a different level and have fighters trained to the nth degree, since Dom O'Rourke took over he also ensured the participation of other sections of society to senior level, most notably travelers. Until the late 90's traveler boys would be magnificent until the age of 16 then disappear - now they continue on.

A bit harsh on our coaching system?

Surely Taylor and Nevin have as much talent as any boxer in their division? And Conlon and Barnes are amongst the top ranked boxers.

[geysir]

Tough tough contest for Conlan. No shame at all to lose to that boxer. Once upon a time the country stood still to applaud a solitary boxing bronze.
There's going to be some crackers in the gold medal fights.

Is there a bigger sack of shít than Bill O'Herlihy?

[paudie]

Tough tough contest for Conlan. No shame at all to lose to that boxer. Once upon a time the country stood still to applaud a solitary boxing bronze.
There's going to be some crackers in the gold medal fights.

Is there a bigger sack of shít than Bill O'Herlihy?

Yeah. His old fogey act is well past its sell by date. An example tonight as he immediatley looked for someone to blame after the fight - coaches, Conlon, anyone. Fair dues to Kenny Egan for saying that sometimes you're beaten by a better man.

Remember Bill's background is journalism rather than presenting so don't expect anything other than dirt stirring from him.

No doubt he's composing his questions to Gerry Kiernan on sunday re: the underachievment of Irish athletics.

[Spudulika]

Paudie, I'm not casting doubt on the quality of Irish (or any other) fighters, just that since this rotten computer system has come in it has increased the risk of brain and body damage, removed elements of skill and caused the development of a fighting style that is about as interesting to watch as, well, as a Monday night sky tv special.

I'll backup the 3 things I mentioned just now.

Brain and body damage increase:- For judges to register a score they have to a) see a cleanly landed punch or b) see a physical reaction to a thrown punch.
Removed elements of skill:- The first has led to this, no longer will fighters be awarded merit for slipping punches, work rate, superior movement and better combinations etc.
Hands up robot style:- Last night it was clearly shown how when Mick Conlan was working and slipping punches, the Cuban had the long arms to cover up the "target areas" (head and front torso), and threw in short bursts to win points.

So from this you can develop a style (like Paddy Barnes and Katie Taylor against good fighters) where you throw short flurries, carry your hands high and hit hard enough to make the opponent's body react. Some fighters can escape with a looser style (like JJ Nevin) but amateur boxing is no longer the Noble Art of Self-Defence, it is all about beating the computer.

[geysir]

Paudie, I'm not casting doubt on the quality of Irish (or any other) fighters, just that since this rotten computer system has come in it has increased the risk of brain and body damage, removed elements of skill and caused the development of a fighting style that is about as interesting to watch as, well, as a Monday night sky tv special.

I'll backup the 3 things I mentioned just now.

Brain and body damage increase:- For judges to register a score they have to a) see a cleanly landed punch or b) see a physical reaction to a thrown punch.
Removed elements of skill:- The first has led to this, no longer will fighters be awarded merit for slipping punches, work rate, superior movement and better combinations etc.
Hands up robot style:- Last night it was clearly shown how when Mick Conlan was working and slipping punches, the Cuban had the long arms to cover up the "target areas" (head and front torso), and threw in short bursts to win points.

So from this you can develop a style (like Paddy Barnes and Katie Taylor against good fighters) where you throw short flurries, carry your hands high and hit hard enough to make the opponent's body react. Some fighters can escape with a looser style (like JJ Nevin) but amateur boxing is no longer the Noble Art of Self-Defence, it is all about beating the computer.

Looks like there are serious moves to change the scoring system.
changes in the scoring system
´The president of amateur boxing’s governing body expects to replace the sport’s computerized scoring system with the traditional professional judging system before the 2016 Rio Olympics.Wu Ching-Kuo told The Associated Press it’s all part of his plan for Olympic boxing to look more like the pro game. AIBA intends to move to the pros’ 10-point scoring system, which takes into account every aspect of fighters’ skills, not solely their ability to land clean punches.´

[Spudulika]

Thanks Geysir, despite being the victim of some dodgy decisions on the old system, my first ever experience of computer scoring back in 1993 was a horror. Both of us wore blue (but he was fighting from the blue corner), I won at a canter and then lost 12-9. The judges admitted they'd been confused and after our appeal they said they couldn't change it as it would show the problem with the system. Corruption will always have a hand in sport (sadly) but computers have rendered amateur boxing a crock. One good thing is this Olympics they've recorded some body punches. A return to old just means that the Irish coaches will have to work harder but I'd back them to do better.

[paudie]

Rob Heffernan came 4th in the 50k walk.

He stayed back from the leaders at the start but came on strong in the last 10k but couldn't catch the Chinese in third. Broke his PB by around 3 minutes. Brendan Boyce from Donegal came in the top 30.

[bennocelt]

Is there a bigger sack of shít than Bill O'Herlihy?

Exactly - "that was very disappointing" - WTF, since when has an 18 year old in his first Olympics getting a medal been a disappointment?
Hard luck to Barnes - think he was robbed myself, Conlon gave it his best but Ramirez was brilliant and Dunne was correct - I def would pay to see him fight. Anyway heading to the town tonight to see the local boy do good!!! (Longford town can wait another day!)
(by the way some of Nevin's family was refused entry into a local bar yesterday - can u fecking believe that!!!!)

[geysir]

A return to old just means that the Irish coaches will have to work harder but I'd back them to do better.

I don't know if they will have to work harder, just work differently, from what I've seen we have an abundance of (superior) technically skilled boxers.

[geysir]

Exactly - "that was very disappointing" - WTF, since when has an 18 year old in his first Olympics getting a medal been a disappointment?

It was precisely that but what compounded his opening line was his sneering condescension.
Not that I'm into unreserved cheerleading but let the boxing panel analyze the fight and put the efforts of Conlan into context. Only 6 European boxers (plus the Brit) made it to these finals.