Cork AUL 2012/13 (Forum ban for Infractions)

**schoolboygodno9** · 15/08/2012, 4:33 PM

Originally Posted by Liathroidi

lads refs shouldnt do the job if they getting decisions wrong week in week out just an opinion not on to slate them

I played a match a few years ago it was very important game and the ref made an awful booboo and he's one of the best and most respected in cork he came in at half time and asked to speak to the manager explained and apologised for his error our manager said fair enough that was the end of it we drew the match and we said nothing to him afterwards just shake his hand he went up a hundred fold that day for me point being if the refs explained questionable decisions fella wouldn't get freaked out on the pitch but there told to get out of the referees sight when asking a question

**oldlegs** · 15/08/2012, 4:43 PM

In a perfect world yes but we don't live in a perfect world what refs we have we lucky to have and for 40 odd euro a game I can think of a hell of a lot of better things then have 22 players and both sets of manager's shouting at me for 90 minutes. And I don't ref. I'm still playing away . I'd love to have astro pitchs sand based pitchs etc to play on and dressing rooms hot shower's etc after every game but alas its not happening . But I live in the real world and I know things can not always be how you want them .

**sharpshooter** · 15/08/2012, 5:01 PM

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?

**R75215** · 15/08/2012, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by schoolboygodno9

I played a match a few years ago it was very important game and the ref made an awful booboo and he's one of the best and most respected in cork he came in at half time and asked to speak to the manager explained and apologised for his error our manager said fair enough that was the end of it we drew the match and we said nothing to him afterwards just shake his hand he went up a hundred fold that day for me point being if the refs explained questionable decisions fella wouldn't get freaked out on the pitch but there told to get out of the referees sight when asking a question

That get out of sight thing is ridiculous. Not jsut the AUL refs but soccer refs as a whole we could take a leaf out of the rugby book here. Theres times when refs make dreadful decisions or make a call without seeing something else and when a player tries to point something out to them they are told to go way.

**schoolboygodno9** · 15/08/2012, 6:13 PM

Anyway will they have even games to ref this weekend the weather is shocking

**schoolboygodno9** · 15/08/2012, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by sharpshooter

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?

Have casement folded senior msl they won aul two last season and they were going senior now there in three b the league is a joke a senior standard team in the lowest league

**Horse24** · 15/08/2012, 6:20 PM

I wrote a post on refs before the subject comes up and changed my mind!!

Im not sure I would do it myself, but the fact remains they are being paid for what they do and no-one is forcing anyone. If I dont do the job I am paid for, my paymasters will have something to say about it. Its a bit of a annoyance of mine as long time posters may remember. The paymasters of referees, i.e. the teams, are never asked to rate the refs. Refs are judged by refs - makes sense to a point but surely the paymasters should have some say - some official communication channel? Turkeys dont vote for Xmas!

On the rugby comparison, its one I have made myself in my head lots of times and the conclusion I have come to is this. Rugby refs talk more to the players and explain decisions - right or wrong.

This season has already had a situation for me ( I know...very early). Whistle was blown for a foul at the edge of our box. Correctly, the ref didnt make a call because he was back a bit, so he took stock of where the players had been and went up to confirm the line and tackle mark on the ground. He blew for a penalty.
I happened to be nearby and did the same walk behind him. The tackle mark I saw was outside the box so I asked him.
Maybe I had the wrong mark, maybe the tackle was at the end of the stretched tackle - I dont know. Thats why I asked.

Not a word, nothing. Just looked and walked away. Was that respectful to me? I didnt think so. Theres the key difference, in my opinion between rugby refs and soccer refs.
We are expected to give money and automatic respect and all we ask is respect in return. The best refs understand that.

Sharpshooter - from your betting record, thats a kiss of death for Casement! Care to spill the beans on the rest of your accumulator?
Just so you get the spelling right its B-L-A-C-K-S-T-O-N-E!!

Its something I will ask people to pm to me because its not information you may want to share. Whats the membership costs for your team or any team you know? I dont even need the team name.....though I will know some of you! What do ye have to pay at the beginning of the season? Whats your weekly costs? Do ye have weekly tickets? etc. I would be grateful for anyone willing to share.

I wont make the AUL meeting tonight so if anyone is there, please share the goings on.

**oldlegs** · 15/08/2012, 6:47 PM

100 membership Horse and 5 sub for home game

**greengrass** · 15/08/2012, 7:40 PM

Originally Posted by Leftside

Hi Guys,

New to the site. Im Involved with Leeview, been reading the forum for awhile and decided to contribute.

Really hope the weather eases as a lot of teams have put serious effort into pre season and nothing worse than opening day getting called off. I feel the more of the high quality astro turf facilities that shoot up around the city the Better. In our section alone there's 3 teams that use them (including ourselves) which will decrease the amount of games we have called off.

i just dont like the astro pitches
give me a grass pitch any day of the week

**roberto1** · 15/08/2012, 7:43 PM

will there be many games go ahead this weekend?cant ever remember first games of the season being cancelled because of the weather

**oldlegs** · 15/08/2012, 8:41 PM

Originally Posted by sharpshooter

Thinking of backing casement for division 3B in an accumulator for when the odds come out for the season,anyone have any knowledge on who would be strongest in the league?

Game the other evening how did Rob Moore play for ye and did he sign

**six-yard-box** · 15/08/2012, 9:47 PM

Originally Posted by Horse24

I wrote a post on refs before the subject comes up and changed my mind!!

Im not sure I would do it myself, but the fact remains they are being paid for what they do and no-one is forcing anyone. If I dont do the job I am paid for, my paymasters will have something to say about it. Its a bit of a annoyance of mine as long time posters may remember. The paymasters of referees, i.e. the teams, are never asked to rate the refs. Refs are judged by refs - makes sense to a point but surely the paymasters should have some say - some official communication channel? Turkeys dont vote for Xmas!

On the rugby comparison, its one I have made myself in my head lots of times and the conclusion I have come to is this. Rugby refs talk more to the players and explain decisions - right or wrong.

This season has already had a situation for me ( I know...very early). Whistle was blown for a foul at the edge of our box. Correctly, the ref didnt make a call because he was back a bit, so he took stock of where the players had been and went up to confirm the line and tackle mark on the ground. He blew for a penalty.
I happened to be nearby and did the same walk behind him. The tackle mark I saw was outside the box so I asked him.
Maybe I had the wrong mark, maybe the tackle was at the end of the stretched tackle - I dont know. Thats why I asked.

Not a word, nothing. Just looked and walked away. Was that respectful to me? I didnt think so. Theres the key difference, in my opinion between rugby refs and soccer refs.
We are expected to give money and automatic respect and all we ask is respect in return. The best refs understand that.

Sharpshooter - from your betting record, thats a kiss of death for Casement! Care to spill the beans on the rest of your accumulator?
Just so you get the spelling right its B-L-A-C-K-S-T-O-N-E!!

Its something I will ask people to pm to me because its not information you may want to share. Whats the membership costs for your team or any team you know? I dont even need the team name.....though I will know some of you! What do ye have to pay at the beginning of the season? Whats your weekly costs? Do ye have weekly tickets? etc. I would be grateful for anyone willing to share.

I wont make the AUL meeting tonight so if anyone is there, please share the goings on.

50insurance start of year 10 a week 2 nites training in that aswell.. at worst we have to sell tickets at x-mas n a last man after x-mas. nothing at all anyone could complain about imo..

**six-yard-box** · 15/08/2012, 9:51 PM

just on the referees i always find if you just have a quiet word after the incident at the next break of play they nearly always explain it maybe thats just me tho!!

**Innishvilla** · 16/08/2012, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by Shandonboy

That get out of sight thing is ridiculous. Not jsut the AUL refs but soccer refs as a whole we could take a leaf out of the rugby book here. Theres times when refs make dreadful decisions or make a call without seeing something else and when a player tries to point something out to them they are told to go way.

I suppose some times it comes down to the fact there are a minimum of 11 guys screaming at the referee that he's made an absolute f*ck up of a decision, it is very difficult to then have a quiet word or explain seeing as most of the time he's being abused.

I was never an angel on the pitch but I always found a quiet word when the ball went dead after the real shouting and roaring about a decision had died down normally leads to a reasonable response.

Also every single player should try some level of refereeing - I just helped out once at a preseason 5 a side tournament. The job is tough - not made any easier by the players involved, everyone claims everything. Guy kicks the ball 5 yards wide and first thought is to try to claim a corner... Let's not forget no matter what way you dress it up - it is a form cheating and it is encouraged. Just recently saw at olympics in the badminton if you call a shot in our out - you get a warning, next time point is awarded against you, the line calls are the line judges responsibility.

I think Joe Brolly's artice recently was an excellent example - substitute soccer for GAA.
http://www.isrscork.com/brolly.htm

**Dixie's Cousin** · 16/08/2012, 8:30 AM

Innish, I'm with you there, I was never captain for my team but over the years you get a respectable relationship with the Referees and you can then have a quiet word when the ball goes dead. 99 times out of a 100 you will get an answer but I have never seen the point in moaning about a decision no matter how unjust because no matter how good the argument is he won't change his mind.

**fruice** · 16/08/2012, 8:31 AM

Could someone confirm for me is the casement team in 3b there first team or there second team????

**Silly Billy G** · 16/08/2012, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Leftside

Hi Guys,

New to the site. Im Involved with Leeview, been reading the forum for awhile and decided to contribute.

Really hope the weather eases as a lot of teams have put serious effort into pre season and nothing worse than opening day getting called off. I feel the more of the high quality astro turf facilities that shoot up around the city the Better. In our section alone there's 3 teams that use them (including ourselves) which will decrease the amount of games we have called off.

We had one as well back when i played, only problem I found was that all your games towards the end of the season were away ! when the weather was bad we were happy to switch to our place and it meant lots of trips away come April/May

**schoolboygodno9** · 16/08/2012, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by fruice

Could someone confirm for me is the casement team in 3b there first team or there second team????

I'm trying to find this out also I reckon it's there first team as there not down for any keane cup fixtures

**fruice** · 16/08/2012, 9:15 AM

If this is the case its pure rubbish and the aul have alot to answer for! Casment will run away with the league and thats no good to no one! Its the same as last year parks second team droped two divisions to the third and won the 3rd division, lakewoods first team packed it in last season and they all played with there third division and they ran away with there section! Where is the fairness in this???