Mick McCarthy in line for Forest job?

[Noelys Guitar]

According to this its Micks to turn down. http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Mi...ail/story.html No interviews for Roy so I take it that rules him out. I think Keane is a better manager than Mick (though not by much). He got Sunderland up straight away in his first job (yes he had money but look at King Kenny) and kept them up. Messed up at Ipswich but I still feel he has it within himself to become a half decent manager.

[tricky_colour]

Oil rich club with high ambitions, can't see them going for a traditionally conservative and resourceful manager like Mick.

It remains to be seen how much money they are willing to put into the club, it may not be as much as some think.
I certainly have not seen a figures on how much money they will be willing to put into the club.

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Al...ail/story.html


"but that they will be patient when it comes to winning promotion"

"This is not about money, it is about passion."


They made their money from refrigeration and air-conditioning, not oil, apparently, so I have my doubts about how much
money they have and are willing to put in. Probably a lot less than most people think.
And there is this statement from elsewhere , “be assured of our best efforts in bringing the Reds back to the top of the table.”.
Note that is top of the table not top of the Premiership.

So given all that Mick would seem to fit the bill, ie not too expensive, it does not sound like they will be showing the
club with cash.

Notts county has some 'rich middle east backers' a while back but little came of it.

[Stuttgart88]

It bloody stinks that English football clubs have to tart themselves out to rich foreigners. The EPL and SKY couldn't give two hoots about the consequences for the broader game that their model brings about. Scudamore had the nerve last week to say that their rules would have prevented Rangers' bust. Horsesh1t. Look at Portsmouth. The EPL chairman, a crook called Sir Dave Richards testified last year that he couldn't be bothered trying to enforce their fit and proper persons ownership test, it was beneath him.

Notts County was even worse. They didn't even have any money, and nobody bothered to check. The FL didn't even know who owned Leeds until recently. Effing joke, made worse by the consequences their casual self interest has across the whole game, in England and abroad.

[mark12345]

Irishmen are involved in the same coaching circles so are held in the same low standards. Put it this way, if these guys were talented managers/coaches being unfairly disposed of they'd be jumped on by every serious team across Europe. The number of coaches/managers trained and developed within the english system who go on to be successful elsewhere could be counted on one hand in the past 20 years. You might be right about a fair chance but when the precedent is 99% of coaches in that system being muck you can understand why any new chairman would take the decision to employ from better backgrounds, too much money at stake to play the loyalty card that your man is that rare 1% in the bracket.

One hundred per cent true.

Finally people are beginning to wake up (and speak about it) to the fact that English managers and players are muck and we are also. Just watched the Spain / France U-19's play. I'd give either team a few years and they'd be able to take on England or us. IT's time for major change folks, and it all starts with coaching.

[mark12345]

It bloody stinks that English football clubs have to tart themselves out to rich foreigners. .

Could you imagine if English football was left to the English. You'd have no Manchester City, no Roman Abramovich etc. And you'd be left with, wait for it.......the Championship. Now that's a standard to be proud of.

[Stuttgart88]

When it was left to the English they won the European Cup time and time again.

You might have Man City now but you wouldn't have 70% of English football insolvent and stealing money from the taxman. Check out the DCMS Football Governance Report.

[Junior]

Just a thought, when it was left to the English (and when it wasnt for that matter) and as you say stutts, Forest,Villa,Liverpool were winning the European Cup - It never manifested itself in to National Team success. The 80's was a pretty poor time for England at tournaments. A losing SF spot being the best performance (and that was in the 90's actually)....

World Cups....
1982 Second Group stage
1986 Quarter-final
1990 Fourth place

Euros...
1980 -Group Stage 5th
1984 -Did not qualify
1988 - Group Stage 7th
1992 - Group Stage 7th

[barney]

Just a thought, when it was left to the English (and when it wasnt for that matter) and as you say stutts, Forest,Villa,Liverpool were winning the European Cup - It never manifested itself in to National Team success. The 80's was a pretty poor time for England at tournaments. A losing SF spot being the best performance (and that was in the 90's actually)....

World Cups....
1982 Second Group stage
1986 Quarter-final
1990 Fourth place

Euros...
1980 -Group Stage 5th
1984 -Did not qualify
1988 - Group Stage 7th
1992 - Group Stage 7th

Or you could turn that on its head and say that in three World Cups, England only lost one game aside from shoot-outs and that one game was partly thanks to a handball goal.

The Euros were also a lot tougher back then because it was only 8 teams.

[Stuttgart88]

And since the EPL, England has made last 16s and last 8s by and large - with one(?) semi-final in 1996. Not a massive improvement. National team success has been just as elusive really, and certainly lags the financial might and global popularity of the the EPL. With the exception of the 2004 Euros I think the major countries have seen England as eminently beatable.

My contention - in response to Mark's strange post - is that actually enforcing rules about who owns football clubs has longer term merits. Abramovic was shown in the UK courts to be what he is last year - a hood and an opportunist. It'd be like one of our gombeen property developers buying a foreign club with the money Bertie and his cronies allowed him to loot by dodgy planning deals. The Man City guy who nearly bankrupted the club while on the run from the Thai government, the Notts Co. money laundering scam, the Leeds United offshore trust that nobody could trace, the Glazers who saddled a debt free club with nearly a billion pounds of debt just so they could take it over by injecting just a slither of equity, the US twits who nearly bankrupted Liverpool, the FIVE separate owners of Portsmouth FC, one of whom was a clear asset stripper (buying the area around the ground for development) and the others who couldn't even provide evidence of having any money.

Interesting reading here

http://www.publications.parliament.u...s/792/792i.pdf

while some of the submissions given in the evidence gathering are also quite intersting.

[CraftyToePoke]

He's talking to them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18854513

[Uncle_Joe]

Micks says no. Strange one, out of work manager to be offered a job (I presume that was what was going on) and then turn it down.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ake-Forest-job

[Junior]

Or you could turn that on its head and say that in three World Cups, England only lost one game aside from shoot-outs and that one game was partly thanks to a handball goal.

The Euros were also a lot tougher back then because it was only 8 teams.

You could turn it on its head but it would still make my point. Lack of success on the international stage despite club dominance in Europe.

[tricky_colour]

Micks says no. Strange one, out of work manager to be offered a job (I presume that was what was going on) and then turn it down.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ake-Forest-job

It might fit in with my theory that these guys are not keen on spending much money at all.

I can imagine the conversation:

Mick: "so how much money will you be putting in?"

New owners: "None."

Mick "No thanks!!"

But it is still odd if he has nothing else lined up. (maybe he has?). If they are not putting much money in Forest could easily get relegated.
But it does not look like these new owners are going to be "sugar daddies" pumping tonnes of money into the club.
ANytime they have been asked question about investing in the club the response has always been under-whelming,


Reporter: "New stadium?"

Mr Al-Hasawi: "[A new stadium] is something we are looking at and studying. Our main focus and concern is to renovate and refurbish the existing stadium, the City Ground."

So sounds like they nay be able to stretch to a few tins of paint!!!

I expect Mick may well have been offered a lot less than he was on previously?

[barney]

You could turn it on its head but it would still make my point. Lack of success on the international stage despite club dominance in Europe.

Not if you're saying that it was a poor time for England in tournaments. One could argue that it was their best era in international tournaments (1966 aside).

[Stuttgart88]

Isn't the point that there was no marked difference in English team performance both pre- and post-EPL? They were regularly last 8 or thereabouts with the odd non-qualification.

I think they're marginally better now - they tend to sail through qualification going back to when Sven was appointed, 2008 aside.

[barney]

Isn't the point that there was no marked difference in English team performance both pre- and post-EPL? They were regularly last 8 or thereabouts with the odd non-qualification.

I think they're marginally better now - they tend to sail through qualification going back to when Sven was appointed, 2008 aside.

Which is fair comment. Not sure they are marginally better now though than the 80s. The Euros going to 16 teams has meant they will usually get through the group phase rather than going out in the first round. It's much of a muchness either way though.

[Stuttgart88]

yep, either way it's still "last 8 or thereabouts"!

I think they had a good 1970 WC, only an injury to Banks preventing a semi-final. I think they were 2 up against W Germany and then Bonetti had a howler. The rest of the 70s were 2 non-qualifies, for WCs anyway. I think they qualified for everything in the 80s, getting through group stages but not much further, bar 88 of course.

[tricky_colour]

Glenn Noddle now favourite closely followed by Sean O'Driscol, a former ROI international, played 3 games.
He is currently league one Crawley manager, but was briefly at Forest (Jan - May) this year as a coach.

Yes another indication to me that the new owners are intent on spending as little money as possible,
which I guess is why Mick turned it down.

Having said that it seems to me that Hoddle may not be too keen on the job either.

Neil Warnock is a close 3rd favourite with one bookmaker but about 8-1 with others.
Roy Kane about 9-1.

[tricky_colour]

Sean O'Driscol looks likely to be the next manager according to the betting he is 5-1 and 6-1 on with two big bookmakers.

[tricky_colour]

Well have a new Irish boss but it's O'Driscol not McCarthy.

Forest have Andy Reid and and one other Irish Brendan Maloney 23 right back and Ireland u21.