Delaney Doesn't Know Theres A Crisis

[bennocelt]

I dont know enough about Delaney and what he does in the FAI to answer with fair reasoning whether he is doing a good job or not. I'd question the motives of LOI fans, when it comes to Delaney, at best they are probably looking for a scapegoat, it always easier to blame someone else.

I have gotten p1ssed on work nights out, it doesn't and hasn't effected my work, or my contract renewals. People really do lead very simple of lives to be worrying about a CEO getting ****ed on a sojourn. If it was Michael D as a representative of the Country getting ****ed then yes fair enough, but John Delaney is not representing the country or its people.

I would like to see some facts for why people are so against him. Has he reduced debt from 7million to 140k last year since taking over the LOI? He obviously has issues with the debt around the stadium, if it was healthy he would be more than happy to discuss it externally, or at least gives estimated figures. But he is adamant by 2020 it will be cleared, i reckon he is crossing his fingers for brazil and euro 2016 to ensuring this debt is cleared. That is a gamble, like a lot of banks before the recession, you are relying on increased performance, it could seriously backfire.

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Funny how the ole ole brigade always stand by their man
While the LOi is dying on its arse the CEO makes a show of himself, buying friends with drink is a joke. easy to be so savy with your money when you are "earning" 400,000 a year for doing sweet fa. Id buy anyone a pint myself if i was on that wage

[tetsujin1979]

Funny how the ole ole brigade always stand by their man
While the LOi is dying on its arse the CEO makes a show of himself, buying friends with drink is a joke. easy to be so savy with your money when you are "earning" 400,000 a year for doing sweet fa. Id buy anyone a pint myself if i was on that wage

Read an article last year about what an average day is for Delaney, suffice it to say, he does not do "sweet fa"
And that's not his wages either

[paul_oshea]

2020...Are you serious?

This chancer's track record shows he can't be believed on anything. Where do we start...

Remember the World class manager promise the night he stuck the knife into Kerr? (we got Stan instead)

The pledge of selling over 8,000 vantage club seats in a year...(there's no proof they've even sold 6k)

Huge prize money for LoI as a reason for the FAI to take full control (that didn't last long)

Massive commercial revenue from Euros (did they even get one new sponsor?)

And the best of the best...Team 33!

Delaney may be a fool but so are people to be fooled by him.

I'm not fooled by anyone, but I don't know enough either way. I also know the innate irish trait is knock and look for excuses rather than take responsibility or do something about it ourselves. We are a nation of knockers.

3 or 4 of those points come down to the same thing, recession, its hardly delaneys fault that commercial streams/marketing/advertising revenues all dried up in the last 4/5 years, if he could have predicted that, he certainly wouldn't have been CEO of the FAI.

The Stan thing was a joke, but we all makes mistakes, if he has learnt from that, then thats the most important thing.

I'd like to hear what he has done, and what he hasn't done. Forget about the stadium, as i know its a huge bug bear for most, and rightfully so, but he consulted on most aspects and went with what he was advised, the recession has played a big part in the expected revenues to be generated from it, so I'd be willing to forgive him on this one.

What i wouldn't forgive though, is playing russian roulette with Debt, based on expected results and/or qualifications. Thats like shels/bohs trying to buy the title over the years, and when things go pete tong, ending up in near collapse. You can't do that with the Governing organisation of football in Ireland.

[bennocelt]

Read an article last year about what an average day is for Delaney, suffice it to say, he does not do "sweet fa"
And that's not his wages either

Yeah because the facts speak for themselves - LOI falling apart, duff national team manager, nice FAI debt, no real effort to have an academy or decent under age structure, and he gets more than the Prez. How are those premium ticket sales going along, did you buy one yourself?
He spent 30,000 euros on drink - and thats not embarrassing! he is taking the pee

[tetsujin1979]

Yeah because the facts speak for themselves - LOI falling apart, duff national team manager, nice FAI debt, no real effort to have an academy or decent under age structure, and he gets more than the Prez. How are those premium ticket sales going along, did you buy one yourself?
He spent 30,000 euros on drink - and thats not embarrassing! he is taking the pee

any facts to back up that figure?

[bennocelt]

any facts to back up that figure?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...sm-198615.html

[tetsujin1979]

any links to the original article mentioned here -

In weekend interviews, Mr Delaney claimed he had spent some €30,000 of his own money on fans during his reign and took "grave offence" at criticism of his socialising while in Poland.

[Stuttgart88]

Just on Stan, he wasn't appointed by himself. Sir Bobby Robson was appointed alongside Stan to have a very hands-on role. SBR took ill very shortly afterwards and just before WC06 campaign started as far as I recall. The plans were torn up immediately. It seems that Kerr had lost the dressing room, so Stan's relationship with the players was seen as an important ingredient, as was his leadership qualities. SBR brought the tactical, coaching and international knowledge after a glittering club career in several major football countries. I personally never saw much in the brains department in our Stan, but one can see why the dual appointment made sense. OK, maybe a replacement should have been found for SBR once he took ill and it's a fair point that maybe the Stan / SBR combo was never a good one anyway. He should only have been a no. 2 at most.

Is the LOI falling apart or has one team not just overstretched itself? I'm not taking the FAI's side here but "fixing" the LOI is a very demanding task and if punters want a higher standard of professional football in Ireland LOI supporters may not support what might be required. I'm playing devil's advocate here: might more LOI clubs have gone bust if the licensing regime hadn't been introduced?

Sorry, I also don't buy into the argument that XYZ should earn less than An Taoiseach or the President. You need the right package to attract the right person for the role in an open employment market* - although I firmly believe that in both the public and private sectors senior executives have been getting paid too much for delivering too little. Executive pay has become a major issue in the UK (where I live) and shareholders are only now getting antsy about it. An FT columnist recently claimed that many corporate CEOs are effectively "looting" their companies.

* I don't believe we have a properly functioning employment market. Instead we have a dysfunctional market rigged by insiders whose talents and performance don't match their remuneration, of opinion of themselves. As the CEO of Shell said after he stepped down - if they paid me half as much I'd have worked exactly as hard.

[Junior]

* I don't believe we have a properly functioning employment market. Instead we have a dysfunctional market rigged by insiders whose talents and performance don't match their remuneration, of opinion of themselves. As the CEO of Shell said after he stepped down - if they paid me half as much I'd have worked exactly as hard.

Interesting, in the Fanning interview - JD effectively said if he needs to take a 'cut' he will or words to those effect - I get the impression his view would be similar to the Shell's CEO. It will be intetresting to see if there are any more redundancies or cost cutting exercises affecting lower graded staff in the aftermath of the poor tournament. One single point out of those three games would have funded JD's salary for a year or 3 points would have funded the FAI's share of Trap's salary for a year. Perhaps they both should have a think about it!!

But those two taking a wage cut will not solve many (if any) problems in all honesty, though it might help to maintain a level of support through the turnstiles...

[ArdeeBhoy]

They have already got rid of virtually all the FAI's ticket office staff, instead using those leeches Ticketmaster instead...

[jbyrne]

They have already got rid of virtually all the FAI's ticket office staff, instead using those leeches Ticketmaster instead...

last summer it took about 4 calls to the ticket office and countless emails to sort my season ticket arrangements (drop my allocation from 4 to 3 and have someone who only has one ST allocated a seat beside us). the saga went on for weeks and we ended up with worse seats than we started with.

this time i wanted to move us back to where our tickets were first time around and pay for someone elses over the phone at the same time. the call to ticketmaster lasted about 3 mins and all was sorted.

thats why they farmed the tickets to ticketmaster instead of keeping it in-house. the once very reliable FAI ticket office had become a mess

[SkStu]

im not sure if it is intentional positioning by Stutts and Paul but it is not just the LOI that is the issue here in terms of Irish football. To categorise this as just the baying of LOI heads is unfair.

The Irish international team is not set for future success. We do not have quality players coming through the English system anymore and we do not have the same quantity of players coming through the same system due to the influx of "foreigners" (arent we foreigners too? Aaaanyway...). Therefore, it is fair to say that something is not working or could be working better. That includes, amongst a whole host of issues, the LOI. Perhaps LOI fans are the most vocal but the calls have been for reform of the game here, analysis and consideration of the structure of the game here, the set-up of clubs at all levels, the coaching of young players, the coaching philosophy at all levels of the game, the retention of our young players until it is more appropriate for them to move, finding ways to use the league or other mechanisms to do this, and so on.

I will reiterate that until we have someone who will look at these things, select a plan, put that plan to work and make some hard decisions, we are doomed to the international wilderness for the foreseeable future. It might be okay for the next 5-10 years but we are on the precipice. He may do the administrative side of things okay (i.e. those fundamental functions that need to be done by any CEO) but if Delaney cannot or will not take the bull by the horns, make some difficult decisions and stop playing politics and acting the clown then he should be removed and we should get someone in who is prepared to do it poperly.

[Stuttgart88]

Where have I or Paul said it's just the baying of LOI heads?

My personal suspicion is that JD has too much power and isn't held to account strongly enough but when you see grass roots / junior football stakeholders writing to the IT, complaining about Emmet Malone's one-sided article and praising JD's work and interest in the grass roots then I need more than simply citing the LOI as evidence he's not doing a good job.

I've said before that I think running football in Ireland is a thankless task, as is trying to make the most out of the LOI. The Irish public and media are in thrall to England. English and a lot of European football is out of control and Ireland can't get anywhere near competing financially. If we can't afford to make a good product then the public won't pay to watch the product. I find it hard to blame JD for that. There's such a deep anti-JD feeling on this forum that LTID had to apologise for daring to play devil's advocate on a JD thread in the LOI forum. The LOI forum can't even agree the best structure for the league (10 or 16 teams for example).

Now, I thought JD argued well to Fanning that the Energing Talent programme was a good initiative. The best put down of that argument was Sadlier saying it starts too late, at 14. This is the type of critical appraisal I need to avoid falling into the obvious "sack the board" rants of football fans.

What I want is proper informed evidence that JD is not delivering for Irish football in a country obsessed with English teams, GAA and where we have European champions playing rugby. A lot of the KPIs seem to be more than half-full (U19 boys, U17 girls, improvement in the U21s*...). I couldn't care less if that opinion comes from a LOI head or a so-called barstooler!

* how Givens kept his job so long is a matter for public inquiry in itself.

[Stuttgart88]

Isn't the key point that the whole Irish football pyramid has to be joined up, with the LOI being the absolute peak of the domestic game and with every level aspiring to either move up to a higher level or provide players for a higher level, rather than the various tiers seeking to get players to England as early as possible unless they're exceptional? We need a style of football taught to all levels of the pyramid and for underage football to emphasise fun and skill rather than simply results.

If this is what Stu means by a plan then I'm all for it. Is unifying all the factions (a) a goal and (b) achievable?

[SkStu]

Where have I or Paul said it's just the baying of LOI heads?

My personal suspicion is that JD has too much power and isn't held to account strongly enough but when you see grass roots / junior football stakeholders writing to the IT, complaining about Emmet Malone's one-sided article and praising JD's work and interest in the grass roots then I need more than simply citing the LOI as an evidence he's not doing a good job.

I've said before that running football in Ireland is a thankless task, as is trying to make the most out of the LOI. The Irish public and media are in thrall to England. English and a lot of European football is out of control and Ireland can't get anywhere near competing financially. If we can't afford to make a good product then the public won't pay to watch the product. I find it hard to blame JD for that. There's such a deep anti-JD feeling on this forum that LTID had to apologise for daring to play devil's advocate on a JD thread in the LOI forum. The LOI forum can't even agree the best structure for the league (10 or 16 teams for example).

Now, I thought JD argued well to Fanning that the Energing Talent programme was a good initiative. the best put down of that argument was Sadlier saying it starts too late, at 14.

What I want is proper informed evidence that JD is not delivering for Irish football in a country obsessed with English teams, GAA and where we have European champions playing rugby. A lot of the KPIs seem to be more than half-full. I couldn't care less if that opinion comes from a LOI head or a so-called barstooler!

its the impression im getting from your posts.

With regards to your post - after me saying that it is more than just the LOI and listing a whole load of things that need to be looked at, two-thirds of your post was in response to the LOI angle...

also, its not about competing financially with England/Europe which a lot of people seem to think is what is required, its about making the most of our lot and making the most of our own power to have a successful national team that can be supported by a highly functioning domestic game. The FAI have charged themselves with that but have not delivered. I have no ambitions for the LOI other than it to become a selling/feeder league but lets do it the smart way and not lose our 15-16 year olds to English clubs or sell the few success stories there have been for pittance. This is all under the remit of the FAI by their own demand.

But as i said there is so much wrong with Irish football - from supporters to clubs to administration. Its rotten to the core. I think the evidence is all around you Stuttgart, youre just choosing not to see it.

[SkStu]

Isn't the key point that the whole Irish football pyramid has to be joined up, with the LOI being the absolute peak of the domestic game and with every level aspiring to either move up to a higher level or provide players for a higher level, rather than the various tiers seeking to get players to England as early as possible unless they're exceptional? We need a style of football taught to all levels of the pyramid and for underage football to emphasise fun and skill rather than simply results.

If this is what Stu means by a plan then I'm all for it. Is unifying all the factions (a) a goal and (b) achievable?

Bingo! (pretty much)

By the way, it is c) non-negotiable.

Which will require a larger pair of bolloks than currently sits in HQ.

[SkStu]

Bingo! (pretty much)

By the way, it is c) non-negotiable.

Which will require a larger pair of bolloks than currently sits in HQ.

to avoid any confusion there are plenty of big bolloks' in HQ right now. Im talking about having the cojones to make change...

[Stuttgart88]

its the impression im getting from your posts.

With regards to your post - after me saying that it is more than just the LOI and listing a whole load of things that need to be looked at, two-thirds of your post was in response to the LOI angle...

I think you have a persecution complex! I'm far more open minded than you think.

[Stuttgart88]

Bingo! (pretty much)

By the way, it is c) non-negotiable.

Which will require a larger pair of bolloks than currently sits in HQ.

Yey! We agree.

Anyway, Ive a semi final to watch...

[SkStu]

I think you have a persecution complex!

I definitely do. Im a LOI fan.