Amazing. Roy Keane can go fcuk himself. I can tell you nobody around me was happy with anything that happenening on the pitch.
Liam Mackey in today's Examiner: The cynics can scoff all they want, but it was a real lump in the throat moment to be inside the PGE Arena on Thursday night when The Fields Of Athenry sounded the retreat from Gdansk.
Well sung. Gotta be proud of that.
Thats just great.
The tv cameras picked on a few clowns on the periphery, hopping up and down without a care in the world. I presume that's what got Roy's attention and suited his cynicism. It's truly mind boggling that someone cynically twists the reasons why the fans sung as they did at the end.
People at home and Roy Keane are only watching what the cameramen show us. All I'll say is that if the (who you refer to as) clowns hopping up and down in delirious joy were a true reflection of the crowds mood then thats deeply concerning and an embarrassment. If it wasn't then the cameras misportrayed the crowd.Originally Posted by geysir
Perhaps the cynics are more the naive for believing what they were shown was a true reflection, I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone having a problem with the fans the TV showed.
Roy is not criticising the fans.
Roy wants the fans to have victories to sing about.
Stop twisting his words.
Roy is a true patriot and is only happy when Ireland wins.
Interesting comment from Shay Given I heard in todays Indo. "The fans may have come for the sing song but the players certainly didn't."
We have a more serious crop of players than we give credit for. I think Trap has been very careful picking his players to ensure this kind of atmosphere that was evidently a problem in the past, as recent as Roy Keanes time.
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keane is no patriot, rather an ego driven grouch and a failed manager. When he himself had the chance to do something for his country and fans he scuttled on home with a strop. I did support him for a long time but hold my hand up, i was wrong on this one!!! Keane is a tramp
I got a call in Poland yesterday morning saying that he had had a dig at the fans as well as the players and there was a lot of anger at his words. Maybe it was the Polish equivalent of dunphy in 90 when word got around that he said he was ashamed to be Irish, when he said it was a shameful performance (v Egypt).
I don't think he's a patriot at all. A perfectionist probably.
I tend not to follow Roy Keanes comments on anything -especially "reported" comments as there is a tendency to put the worst possible slant and inference on them. An occasional piece of insight aside he also has a tendency towards stating the bleedin obvious.
It was helpful that The Last Word last night re-broadcast his comments and to me he just sounded very frustrated with the level of our performance and was being somewhat steered into juxtaposing it with the fans. Add that to his itchy arsed, Corkonian, dead-pan delivery (Denis Irwin had it well) and a mole-hill becomes a mountain.
On the phenomenon of the singing itself - I was in contact with Dutch friends in the latter stages of the game and they said it was mesmerising. It was reported on their late news as a news item in its own right. They couldn't but compare it to the Dutch team being booed off by their own fans on Wednesday night despite their still having a live chance of making the quarter finals.
Unless something truly special happens in the next fortnight our travelling support have created the standout moment of Euro 2012 that future references to the tournament will come back to and come back to. I don't often find myself in concorde with John Delaney but he's right when he says UEFA should acknowledge it.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
The stand out moment?
WTF? Future references about fans singing mean nothing. And I don't agree anyways, there has been a lot of outstanding football played at ths tournament.
Maybe by lobbying FIFA to give us a place at the next World Cup as the 33rd side if we don't qualify outright...
It's nonsense to say UEFA should acknowledge it. Are we that desperate to be told what a great bunch of lads we are?
Low standards, low expectations, and we prefer to be liked than to be successful. Supposedly this is the mentality that drove Roy mad with the Irish camp.. and if that's true I certainly don't blame him for getting frustrated with it. Plucky losers me arse... we can do better than that. And if we celebrate failure as if we'd won the world cup, then what motivation is there to do better?
All that said, if this tournament makes our footballers realise that they are not entitled to anything without getting in the opposition's face and grafting for a win, then it'll all be for the good.
The constrast between 1988 and 2012 is not just in the quality of the players.. the 1988 team (which had world player of the year Chris Morris in it IIRC) worked their arses off. Recent Irish teams are like spoiled, Celtic Tiger cubs by comparison. Jack Charlton wasn't exactly a world beater as a manager when he came to Ireland, but apparently we need the likes of Trappatoni now, 'coz we're worth it.' Brian Kerr gets shafted coz he's not 'big' enough for a nation of four million (results weren't great, but he deserved ore time, I think). It's just delusional, Sky Sports fed cr*p, IMO.
Don't care if we lose if we show passion and drive.
I'll support the team win or lose, but the manner of the loss is important (how hard we got in their faces basically)... and as a fan, I don't feel like I have to worship (or even like) the individuals involved like some star struck teenager.
I'd agree with LR when he says that Keane's comments are being blown out of proportion, but talk of clinging to the fans' singing is stretching it in my view. I think we need to get over ourselves in that regard and I, for one, wasn't singing.
We have been truly awful at this tournament. That is what we should be looking at, asking why we were so bad and how we can improve - not patting ourselves on the back for having fans that cheer the team on in defeat, looking for more pats on the back from UEFA.
The singing was bloody tragic.
End Apartheid Now! One Team in Ireland!
Reading this thread p***es me off.
To say
The people singing didn't care about the result is pure ignorance.
UEFA should acknowledge it is embarrassing.
As 2 Spanish guys said to me on the tram back into town "We have the best team in the world, you have the best fans" I'm f**kin proud of that!!
I'm not looking for pats on the back for anyone. Perhaps I should've given a little context. Russia have a six point deduction hanging over them for the next 4 years because of thuggery out of an element following them around. Croatia are facing sanction now as well because some gowl threw a banana at Balotelli.
With that in mind I've no problem with Delaney saying UEFA should acknowledge the Irish fans behaviour in counterpoint. I don't think he's looking for a 6 point head start, a 2 goal lead or a free bun. There is I believe a UEFA/FIFA supporters award and I'm guessing he's saying our support has made a decent case for it.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
You are in a tiny minority on that one, only about 1 in 200 didn't like the video.
The fans were magnificent, anyone who thinks otherwise, like Roy is an ar5ehole.
Yes UEFA are showing their incompetence by acknowledging the bad behaviour and not the good.
Perhaps the Irish should go and trash Poland to get a pit of publicity for themselves?
Another one here from after the match, maybe a few fans can spot themselves?
Let's put it this way, the Irish fans won respect from fans all over the world, Roy Keane has lost virtually all the respect anyone every had for him. He should reflect on his own performance!!
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