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    Quote Originally Posted by bennocelt View Post
    Could be argued thats the ones supporting Trap and the "sure it will do attitude"?, and "we are only little ireland", etc etc -
    Well from my point of view it's more of the "Let's not rush into anything". I think we have the bones of a decent side waiting in the wings. We can do it.
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    They do say that the root of the next crisis is the response to the current one!

    However, I was always glass-half-full when it came to Trap but I just don't see him seeing the error of his ways. For Italy, surely at least one player has to be dropped? Surely Gibson who directed play so well against Bosnia has to come in, possibly alongside both Whelan and Andrews. O'Shea has been muck, so Stephen Kelly deserves a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennocelt View Post
    Could be argued thats the ones supporting Trap and the "sure it will do attitude"?, and "we are only little ireland", etc etc -
    If he had adopted that attitude, I am not sure we would have made the finals among the elite of world football.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    They do say that the root of the next crisis is the response to the current one!

    However, I was always glass-half-full when it came to Trap but I just don't see him seeing the error of his ways. For Italy, surely at least one player has to be dropped? Surely Gibson who directed play so well against Bosnia has to come in, possibly alongside both Whelan and Andrews. O'Shea has been muck, so Stephen Kelly deserves a shot.
    Too late...

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    Saw that. This man is not for turning, to paraphrase someone I respect and like a lot less than Trap.

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    I'm only getting the snips from rte player, but it's coming across very clearly that RTE, their paper allies and other assorted "experts" are on the Trap must go kick. The simple reason is this. They were proved wrong! The Irish media bought into the hype about how ireland could do this and that, mainly to whip up viewers/readers/listeners. Now in self-righteous outrage, they point their snot covered fingers at a man who has built a side that has brought us through a very tough qualifying group (twice), gradually blooded in young players, and now with his announcement about the starting line up for tomorrow, he has to be admired.

    What the assorted hacks that believe themselves to be the moral guardians of the Irish public forget, is that when they all wander back to watching the sky league, and whinge about how the FAI are ruining the sport in Ireland, their constant search for negative slants (especially re. LOI football) is the reason why league football is ignored by the large majority of the public, while their papers/stations etc cover in increasing orgasmic glory the crapulence of them across the water. Our national team manager is not a louse of the lowest degree (Bilic), a puppet (Advocaat) and respects his players, despite our meeja's increasingly shrill insistence. We could lose him before the end of the year is out - especially once the scumbag stunts kick off by our wonderful meeja.
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    The RTE Panel is not about calling it as it is (frequently heard by themselves and their supporters) but as they see it. A big difference. It's all about controversy and it has worked over the years. 2.3 million viewers for the Croatia game. You can't argue with such figures but Coronation Street gets massive figures as well - not sure there is much of a difference between the respective programmes.

    ITV have now after all these years copped on and enter Roy Keane. RTE has at last a fight on its hands for bullshi**ing with another controversial figure in the opposite corner, hence the need for Dunphy to attack him recently. It is entertainment. The trouble is some people are actually influenced by what Laughing Bill says, the man who said "Rejoice" (after we were knocked out in Paris) because we had played well.

    They ran a poll last night along the lines of was what Roy Keane said about the Irish team correct. 70% said he was. They didn't actually specifically say what part of what Roy Keane said people were voting for or was it a vote on whatever Roy Keane says is correct or not? Je d'esperere.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    It's Bill who never fails to send my irritationmeter into the red zone. He supposedly plays the naive dumb role, maybe he does and maybe it is just a coincidence that his opinions on football matters are actually naive and dumb. He'll bring up some snide question and disingenuously dissociate himself from the question by saying he found it in such and such a paper.
    I don't have any special endearment towards Maloney but the guy is a country mile ahead of O'Herlihy when it comes to honesty of opinion and quality of debate but wouldn't have the necessary grit to challenge Dunphy's sensationalism.

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    Last night was bizarre. They had a whole host of video clips ready from Swansea City to Coleman and Pilkington. They show one clip of a Swansea City player throwing a ball to his own player and then in contrast one clip of O'Shea throwing a ball up the line. These two 3 second clips from hundreds of hours of football were to make a point. Surprisingly NO clips were shown of how we conceded our first three goals in each competition by giving the ball away in our half when we tried to play football. A clip from Anfield of a Swansea player giving the ball to a Liverpool player who gives it back to Swansea who then score. Dunphy says Swansea got a standing ovation at Anfield because of the football they played. Picture in support shows Swansea fans standing up applauding their team!! All the clips of Coleman were from not last season but the one before. No mention that Pilkington was not a regular in the Norwich team.

    Brady who had up to then put up a staunch defence in support of Trap looked like a beaten man The RTE Panel once again led by Laughing Bill has stuck the knife in to the existing manager. The fact that the results went against him just sharpened them. It has been the agenda before every tournament, every qualifying campaign, no matter who the incumbent manager is because it is great for the ratings. It is the stuff of the tabloid press. Ronnie Whelan in commentary said the substitutions made no sense to him yet they resulted in the most concerted period of pressure we had.

    I am reminded of wolves who had been stalking their prey for a long time descending on their victim when he trips up and they tear his body apart.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Bill picked out an ott quote from Roddy Collins and managed to sneer at Roddy at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    Last night was bizarre. They had a whole host of video clips ready from Swansea City to Coleman and Pilkington. They show one clip of a Swansea City player throwing a ball to his own player and then in contrast one clip of O'Shea throwing a ball up the line. These two 3 second clips from hundreds of hours of football were to make a point. Surprisingly NO clips were shown of how we conceded our first three goals in each competition by giving the ball away in our half when we tried to play football. A clip from Anfield of a Swansea player giving the ball to a Liverpool player who gives it back to Swansea who then score. Dunphy says Swansea got a standing ovation at Anfield because of the football they played. Picture in support shows Swansea fans standing up applauding their team!! All the clips of Coleman were from not last season but the one before. No mention that Pilkington was not a regular in the Norwich team.

    Brady who had up to then put up a staunch defence in support of Trap looked like a beaten man The RTE Panel once again led by Laughing Bill has stuck the knife in to the existing manager. The fact that the results went against him just sharpened them. It has been the agenda before every tournament, every qualifying campaign, no matter who the incumbent manager is because it is great for the ratings. It is the stuff of the tabloid press. Ronnie Whelan in commentary said the substitutions made no sense to him yet they resulted in the most concerted period of pressure we had.

    I am reminded of wolves who had been stalking their prey for a long time descending on their victim when he trips up and they tear his body apart.
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    Bearing in mind Pilkington has sat on the fence as to whether he even wants to play for Ireland or not. Not to mention that he's yet another wide player, I'm not sure who ever believed our problems were the wingers to begin with but all the solutions people are dredging up appear to be wingers.

    It's just the general "heres some good players we aren't playing" kind of thing with disregard for the context of who we already have or who they are proposed to replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Bill picked out an ott quote from Roddy Collins and managed to sneer at Roddy at the same time.
    It was Giles who seemed bemused by the quote and Bill backtracked. Roddy said Irish football had been put back 20 years!! Not 2 years, 4 etc but 20.
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    I watched the 2 pieces on the player this afternoon, was extremely irritated by Dunphy - he actually was pleasing and interesting on the ear when he was praising the team and pumping them up before the tournament. Brady was the only realistic one and the voice or rational thought. The way RTE and the meeja promote themselves as "better than them across the water" is laughable. It's the same as Croatians saying "oh everyone says our women are the most beautiful", so say many others. Pure and utter nonsense that is bought by those who are finely balanced with chips on both shoulders. The non-picked player rundown was very dangerously done - aimed at slapping the coach and those around him. Nobody challenged Dunphy's monotonous monologue and it was interesting that they only had players in the sky cash cow league - nothing from north of the border or even lads of Irish extraction further abroad. They are fake, pseudo intellectuals and driven by one of the twin pillars of RTE - Bill. The other pillar being another PR person (Terry prone) who's hubby heads up the station. So think about it - Bill and his family have an agenda to make sure their clients and products and agendas are pushed, same with Prone (who advises politicians etc) and it's an incestuous mess that keeps the nation subdued. Nonsense. Pure and utter nonsense. The meeja will now continue hacking away (pun intended) until there is nothing left of the coach and his staff. They have no honour so they don't understand how others can have it and keep going. Shameful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    It was Giles who seemed bemused by the quote and Bill backtracked. Roddy said Irish football had been put back 20 years!! Not 2 years, 4 etc but 20.
    Some load of nonsense isn't it. Anyone who makes those statements deserves a kicking.

    1. It's just a cliche to say "we've been set back x amount of years". Rarely any substance to it.
    2. In may ways, we hadn't moved forward in 20 years anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudulika View Post
    They are fake, pseudo intellectuals
    I don't think anyone watching are watching it for the insightful analysis or that anyone takes Dunphy serious. At the very least RTE have uneducated babble for analysis that winds up being entertaining, BBC/ITV have uneducated babble that isn't entertaining. The standard of punditry in general for the sport is very low and how the average pundit winds up knowing less about the game outside of England then the average FM player is truly astounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    It was Giles who seemed bemused by the quote and Bill backtracked. Roddy said Irish football had been put back 20 years!! Not 2 years, 4 etc but 20.
    Maybe my memory is faulty, but I though O'Herlihy introduced it as a quote from Roddy Collins, 'for what it's worth'.

    Whenever Bill introduces some quote from another pundit (of sorts) it usually goes without saying that the pundit in question is of a low breed intellect and introducing the quote to the panel is not meant to insult the great and fabled RTE pundits.

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    Justified in Roderick's case, to be fair.

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    It's besides the point if it's justified or not. Bill who probably doesn't know one end of a football from another, doesn't look as if he has ever kicked a ball in anger, sneering at a (daft) opinion from a LOI 'legend'.
    He should have more respect for the LOI football 'legend' and just let the panel deal with the question. He's supposed to be objective

    Can you imagine, say on ITV, the presenter brings up some quote from an RTE pundit saying 'for what it's worth' and have all the pundits guffaw about how thick those RTE paddies are and how they know nothing about football. Yet the assumed superiority the RTE panel claim about themselves (mainly Dunphy and O'Herlihy), have no reserve about doing so with their overseas punditry colleagues, unless of course those colleagues just happen to be sitting beside them.
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    Just curious - has anyone got a link to what Roddy Collins said?

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