Ireland v Spain - What does it mean to us??

**Lim till i die** · 18/06/2012, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mr A

Yeah the Spanish thrashed us but they're one of the best teams in recent years. They choose their players mostly from two of the best clubs in the world. Our highest finishing player was Duff with Fulham in 9th in the premiership.

Why the massive gulf??

Because Spain looked at their broken player development model and fixed it. Spanish people aren't naturally better football players than Irish people

But hey, because things in the league are bad we resent anyone else getting anything.

Are people involved in League clubs entitled to be resentful of the fact that €1,400,000 (plus expenses) comes out of the associations kitty to pay a manager and CEO??

Possibly.

And on the singing in Gdansk- what do people want us to do? Riot? Boo? Have you never supported a team who were beaten in a big game and where the fans sang out of mournfulness, pride and undimmed allegiance? Have you never even seen it from the fans of a team that's relegated in the premiership

The vast majority of people over there aren't football supporters.

They are consumers. This is their summer holiday for the year.

Mournfulness, pride and undimmed allegiance??

Are you for real?! In the majority of cases they're singing and dancing and acting the Paddy because they don't give a ****.

Do I think the genuine fans in Poland are worthy of sympathy?? Yes

Do I think most of the people over in Poland are genuine fans?? No

Your comparison to a Premiership team that's been relegated is silly beyond argument as well.

**bluewhitearmy** · 18/06/2012, 4:27 PM

Glad to see John is acting professionally over there earning his massive wage

......

**Real ale Madrid** · 18/06/2012, 5:24 PM

An absolute disgrace.

Delaney as well. €400k a year ?

**Charlie Darwin** · 18/06/2012, 5:29 PM

Am I mad or was Delaney not pulling a similar stunt in Estonia as the GUST were washing their hands of the old Galway United board? If so, we better hope to hell we don't get a result vs Italy or Dundalk/Bray/somebody else is ****ed.

**adamd164** · 18/06/2012, 9:18 PM

Originally Posted by adamd164

C'mon Italy, I've got them backed (-1) tonight... show no mercy!

Cheers John and co., I'll have one on you!

**Spudulika** · 19/06/2012, 1:54 PM

JD got carried away, so what. Better to have some suited twit who'll take the same pay home and still not give a damn.

LTID - please point out a difference between "fans" and "supporters", there is always a crossover and supporting your country is not inclusive of supporting your local team, especially if you live/were born abroad. The LOI self-pity whinge fest has gone on too long. Get out, back your local club and get the heads of it to change the league from the bottom up - force the FAI to change from the top down. It won't happen because, not too long ago, the clubs voted to back the FAI's running of the league. So the blame lies on the supporters of LOI clubs (in a round about way).

**bluewhitearmy** · 19/06/2012, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

JD got carried away, so what. Better to have some suited twit who'll take the same pay home and still not give a damn.

LTID - please point out a difference between "fans" and "supporters", there is always a crossover and supporting your country is not inclusive of supporting your local team, especially if you live/were born abroad. The LOI self-pity whinge fest has gone on too long. Get out, back your local club and get the heads of it to change the league from the bottom up - force the FAI to change from the top down. It won't happen because, not too long ago, the clubs voted to back the FAI's running of the league. So the blame lies on the supporters of LOI clubs (in a round about way).

How in any way does it?

**Spudulika** · 19/06/2012, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

How in any way does it?

The goons who went and signed up to more of the same head our clubs - if we didn't like how the FAI were running things, they should have been told not to rubber stamp it. It's simplistic thinking I know, but sometimes that's the best I can manage.

**Lim till i die** · 19/06/2012, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

LTID - please point out a difference between "fans" and "supporters"

You're a clever lad, I'll wager you definitely, definitely, know what I was getting at up there. So I'm not elaborating down here.

The rest of your post isn't aimed at me but I would like to say

So the blame lies on the supporters of LOI clubs (in a round about way).

Is pretty spurious twaddle to be honest, you're sort of extrapolating to a large degree to try make a point.

I'm typing this on a laptop.

Which is made of plastic.

Which is petrochemical based.

Which means I'm helping drive the demand for oil.

Which means I'm helping raise tensions in the Middle East.

Which means I'm helping to spread Islamic fundamentalism.

Which means I'm responsible for 9/11.

That kind of an argument.

**Acornvilla** · 19/06/2012, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Which means I'm responsible for 9/11.

You framed ozzie you monster!

**Spudulika** · 19/06/2012, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

You're a clever lad, I'll wager you definitely, definitely, know what I was getting at up there. So I'm not elaborating down here.

The rest of your post isn't aimed at me but I would like to say

Is pretty spurious twaddle to be honest, you're sort of extrapolating to a large degree to try make a point.

I'm typing this on a laptop.

Which is made of plastic.

Which is petrochemical based.

Which means I'm helping drive the demand for oil.

Which means I'm helping raise tensions in the Middle East.

Which means I'm helping to spread Islamic fundamentalism.

Which means I'm responsible for 9/11.

That kind of an argument.

I know what you meant, but you should differentiate in those who follow football. It'd be like lumping all supporters of a club into one category which is unfair, unjust and takes away the gist of your point which is that there is a difference between supporters and fans.

Your "extrapolation" is way off key and I think you know that yourself. LOI club supporters have been taken for gillies for far too long and have to start standing up for what they believe in (if anything) and really make an impression. I do believe that it can be done on a smaller scale, Rovers showed they can band together to get things done, Drogheda have that appearance too. Supporters make their clubs, so make the clubs work for them

**Sam_Heggy** · 19/06/2012, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mr A

Our highest finishing player was Duff with Fulham in 9th in the premiership.

Gibson and Coleman - Everton - 7th place

Couldn't resist.

**Lim till i die** · 20/06/2012, 1:26 AM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

You framed ozzie you monster!

**Lim till i die** · 20/06/2012, 1:29 AM

Originally Posted by Spudulika

LOI club supporters have been taken for gillies for far too long and have to start standing up for what they believe in (if anything) and really make an impression.

I agree with you on this obviously.

But you know it's far easier said than done for the vast majority of clubs and fans at the moment, it's grand to get on the internet and pontificate (it's my fourth favourite hobby afterall) but the realities on the ground are somewhat different.

FWIW, the cynic in me genuinely believes there's some serious method behind the current LoI shambles. Honest John is many things but he's far from a fool.

**Spudulika** · 20/06/2012, 3:07 AM

I agree with your last point 100% LTID, JD might not have been the best businessman, but he's a clever politician (you have to be to make it to the top of a sports organisation) and there could be a plan set down to cull the herd, so to speak - or keep Roddy out of a job (sorry, not funny).

I know it's easy for me to say, the supporters should take control of their own clubs etc, I just don't understand how the clubs voted away what power they had again and we, as supporters, just took it.

**marinobohs** · 20/06/2012, 8:59 AM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

You're a clever lad, I'll wager you definitely, definitely, know what I was getting at up there. So I'm not elaborating down here.

The rest of your post isn't aimed at me but I would like to say

Is pretty spurious twaddle to be honest, you're sort of extrapolating to a large degree to try make a point.

I'm typing this on a laptop.

Which is made of plastic.

Which is petrochemical based.

Which means I'm helping drive the demand for oil.

Which means I'm helping raise tensions in the Middle East.

Which means I'm helping to spread Islamic fundamentalism.

Which means I'm responsible for 9/11.

That kind of an argument.

NEWSFLASH Limerick in Al Queda link, FAI to issue press release from Poznan hotel - including sanctions against Limerick

. Chief Executive Honest John Delaney quoted as saying "I was right about that crowd all along"

**Hairy Bowsie** · 20/06/2012, 9:26 AM

"Low lie, the crooks of Abbotstown
Where once you bought cans for green clad clowns.
Another club gone to the wall, while you’re in Poland having a ball,
Oh the hypocrisy of the crooks of Abbotstown"

That should be sang at every LoI ground in the country, this weekend

**marinobohs** · 20/06/2012, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

"Low lie, the crooks of Abbotstown
Where once you bought cans for green clad clowns.
Another club gone to the wall, while you’re in Poland having a ball,
Oh the hypocrisy of the crooks of Abbotstown"

That should be sang at every LoI ground in the country, this weekend

....... or we should all dress up in Leprechaun outfits and see if John Delaney recommends us for an award - or even notes our existence (and if I never hear that famine dirge again it will still be too soon)