It was no Lee Carsley stonewaller hand ball.
It was no Lee Carsley stonewaller hand ball.
Ten minutes longer and there'd have been paper planes.
Only because the referee somehow perceived the situation incorrectly.
What's an "unnatural position"? He certainly didn't handle deliberately - very few punished hand-balls are deliberate - but he moved an outstretched arm towards the ball. That's an offence, in my book.I definitely didn't think it was a penalty - no intent and his arm wasn't in an unnatural position.
Was it not his supporting arm the ball hit?
Both arms were supporting after he knocked the ball towards his left:
Russia v Czech Republic was a great game to watch. If this standard keeps up it should be a great tournament.
I didn't see any deliberate movement from his hand to the ball. The ref did enough to bring the game into disrepute but the decision not to award a penalty there, shouldn't be held against him.
I thought Howard Webb did well in the later game, it's rare to find a ref at this type of competition who refs a game in the way he did.
No pen for me. The greek who got sent off should not have gotten the first yellow, but I can see how the ref gave the second yellow. I know the guy was slipping anyway, but the defender still put his arms across to block his path and further helped him to the ground. He probably wouldn't have had a clear goal scoring opportunity, but it was cynical by the defender and a yellow was probably correct. As I said, the mistake was the first yellow.
Last edited by bennocelt; 09/06/2012 at 11:57 AM.
An intent to handle the ball is not enough on its own with out the contact
I suppose deliberate is a movement by the hand towards the ball and making contact, like Lee Carsley on the ground v Turkey. Is it not up to ref to decide if the hand movement is deliberate? There are plenty of grey areas, like a player leaving his hand outstretched. In the game last night the player fell to ground and the ball touched his hand, it's unlikely the player intended the fall and unlikely he intended to handle the ball, therefore it was up to the ref and the alert assistant behind the line to make a split decision and I'd agree with their decision.
I am aware of mens rea and actus reus.
The player did intend the fall though, in that he deliberately got himself into such a position whereby he would require a supporting left hand as he fell to the ground in order to block the ball. If penalties were given only for incidents where the ball is handled strictly intentionally (like the Luis Saurez example), very few would be awarded at all.I suppose deliberate is a movement by the hand towards the ball and making contact, like Lee Carsley on the ground v Turkey. Is it not up to ref to decide if the hand movement is deliberate? There are plenty of grey areas, like a player leaving his hand outstretched. In the game last night the player fell to ground and the ball touched his hand, it's unlikely the player intended the fall and unlikely he intended to handle the ball, therefore it was up to the ref and the alert assistant behind the line to make a split decision and I'd agree with their decision.
You are mind reading, I thought only POS could do that The player intended to block the ball. The rest is just consequences after his botched attempt to do so, not deemed to be deliberate by the ref and I'd agree.
Your argument is akin to stating that a player was intentionally standing in the box, the ball hit his hand, therefore the player had deliberately got himself into that position by intentionally being in the exact location whereby his hand hit the ball.
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It was good to see Russia winning fairly easily against the Czechs. If Ireland was a racehorse we would be favourites for tomorrows game. I thought Russia moved the ball exactly the way the moved it against us in both games. If Arshavin didn't overrun the ball so much they would be an even more dangerous team. Just feel they will concede too many goals to win the Euros outright.
2 games a day is doable, 3 would be stretching it on all levels.
16 team format is just perfect, shame they want to fix something that is far from being broken.
A couple of 'decent' games on today, should complete the launch of Euro 2012.
A Germany v Netherlands finals fixture rarely lets you down.
You're not the only one let down
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