Shels Mons intrigue.....

**Dodge** · 05/05/2012, 10:12 AM

Depends what the bet was. If it was for a booking or to be drawing at half time etc etc

Loads of bets than can be made that don't neccesarily effect the final result (I know it's not in a vacuum)

**redarmyfaction** · 05/05/2012, 6:08 PM

LOI markets are generally too thin especially on the derivative side, to get on in a significant enough way to justify organising a fix. Even if you get on and it comes off chances are your local punters pal will cite irregular betting patterns and refuse to pay out.

**JC_GUFC** · 06/05/2012, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

LOI markets are generally too thin especially on the derivative side, to get on in a significant enough way to justify organising a fix. Even if you get on and it comes off chances are your local punters pal will cite irregular betting patterns and refuse to pay out.

Give one example of that ever having happened.

**KevB76** · 06/05/2012, 12:51 PM

Betting on a penalty when Graham Kelly is reffing. Nothing at all suspicious about it.

**redarmyfaction** · 06/05/2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

Give one example of that ever having happened.

Bet Fred knocked back Barney Curley for a million euros last year when no foul play was involved if you want more examples then google is your friend.

**Dave_SRFC** · 07/05/2012, 9:12 AM

It took 21 months but betfred paid up in the end.

**redarmyfaction** · 07/05/2012, 1:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC

It took 21 months but betfred paid up in the end.

I didn't see that. It is standard practice in the event of irregular betting patterns being discovered for bookmakers and exchanges to suspend payment pending an investigation and even if corruption not been proved they can still refuse to pay.

**askmehoop** · 07/05/2012, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

Yeah, in the cup against some minnows iirc.

dont think it was the one against Bohs, may have been the Sherrif game

**Hibs4Ever** · 07/05/2012, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by askmehoop

dont think it was the one against Bohs, may have been the Sherrif game

That was lame

**askmehoop** · 07/05/2012, 4:11 PM

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

That was lame

stop nicking my posts

**horton** · 08/05/2012, 8:26 AM

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2150 - For some reason I can't copy the text.

Not a good week for Shels. They've also been fined 200 yoyo's for fans chants about senor members of the FAI. How bad could they be? I'd hazard a guess that certain players would be on the receiving end of worse stick most weekends from opposing fans?

**osarusan** · 08/05/2012, 9:27 AM

"They always cheat, they always lie, **** Delaney and the FAI"

I believe that's the chant, and never a truer word spoken.

(Mods: Hopefully this isn't creating trouble for the site).

**JC_GUFC** · 08/05/2012, 9:40 AM

Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

I didn't see that. It is standard practice in the event of irregular betting patterns being discovered for bookmakers and exchanges to suspend payment pending an investigation and even if corruption not been proved they can still refuse to pay.

There is no truth whatsoever in the last bit you've written. If there's an investigation and nothing is uncovered they're obliged to pay. Look up the Maguire snooker match in the World Champs from about 5 years ago. There was an investigation that took about 3 years which eventually found no evidence of foul play. Bookmarkers had to pay on that result.

**Sean South** · 08/05/2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

"They always cheat, they always lie, **** Delaney and the FAI"

I believe that's the chant, and never a truer word spoken.

(Mods: Hopefully this isn't creating trouble for the site).

I don't think its the worst chant you'll ever hear at football its ok for the FAI to fine Shels for that but they ignore Shams singing the elephant song to Ndo or when Shams were singing against Dundalk " Louis Kilcoyne's wife's a widow. He's been replaced by a dildo"

**Shannonsider** · 08/05/2012, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by born2bwild

I was ten metres from it at pitch side. Definitely a penalty.

Sounds like this was knocked on the head before the match anyway - if the managers knew about it at kick off that would have put an end to it, wouldn't it?

But maybe the bet put on by a Monaghan player that Monaghan would concide a penalty?

**redarmyfaction** · 08/05/2012, 1:20 PM

Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

There is no truth whatsoever in the last bit you've written. If there's an investigation and nothing is uncovered they're obliged to pay. Look up the Maguire snooker match in the World Champs from about 5 years ago. There was an investigation that took about 3 years which eventually found no evidence of foul play. Bookmarkers had to pay on that result.

A bookmaker is never obliged to pay, people get knocked back for all sorts of spurious reasons the only come back you have is to object to the renewal of his licence to the local super, but if he has something in his rules that allows non payment them you are on a hiding to nothing.

**Dodge** · 08/05/2012, 2:02 PM

So, getting back to JC's point. When has a LOI bet not been honoured?

Seriously, people are living in a dream world if they don't think fixing goes on in our league, and every other league in the world too.

**passerrby** · 08/05/2012, 3:01 PM

A guy told me at the weekend that he backed someone from the fa cup final for man of the match and when the player was announced as MOTM he was trilled but then told by the bookies that he was not there MOTM so would not be paying out, ever heard of that before?.

**Dodge** · 08/05/2012, 3:10 PM

Nope, sounds completely bogus. For things like the world cup there's an official MOTM, and the reputable bookies will say "settled on official MOTM" or they'll name a TV station (eg ITV and ESPN both covered the FA Cup final, they may have given seperte awards.

but letting a bookie choose sounds like a scam

**marinobohs** · 08/05/2012, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Shannonsider

But maybe the bet put on by a Monaghan player that Monaghan would concide a penalty?

Appears the bet(s) was/were concerning Monaghan conceding a penalty. Couple of points, given the vast array of bets possible nowadays (everything from throw ins to colour of jersey seems to be fair game) Bookies leave themselves open to fraud. not to justify it ever but a player can arrange a dodgy bet without jepordising his teams chance of winning.

A further point is that the market for betting on LOI games is very small and almost any significant bet(s) will result in an inquiry. This is exacerbated by the fact that there are often decent odds to be found in LOI given the limited knowledge of those setting the odds (as opposed to EPL or racing).

Personally believe any player caught betting on his own team should be banned for life (irrespective of outcome) but very difficult to prevent third party betting.