Shay Given

**dr_peepee** · 19/01/2011, 12:32 PM

Has he officially handed in a Transfer Request???

**jbyrne** · 19/01/2011, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Given can't get his game in a fairly meaningless FA cup tie so he has to get away from City.

i would suspect that was to stop him being cup tied. city have conceeded 7 in 3 games now and hart has been at fault for some of those. shay deserves his chance at this stage

**Noelys Guitar** · 19/01/2011, 3:32 PM

I agree he deserves his chance. Harte is still making some great stops but his decision making is not as good as it was a few weeks ago. It might take another 2/3 goals conceded this weekend for Mancini to actually drop Harte. Mind you apart from Kompany (who is excellent) I don't rate any of that City backline. The problem with Shay remaining at City is Mancini could just as likely buy another top keeper. He needs to move for constant first team football.

**brine3** · 19/01/2011, 5:15 PM

Shay Given certainly did nothing to deserve getting dropped, in fact he was one of City's top performers last season. Now that Hart is not playing as well Shay should be given a chance. That is only fair, surely...

This might be my Irish bias: but if Given was an England goalkeeper with over 100 caps and a faultless career, and Hart was an up and coming Irish keeper, do you think Given would have been dropped? I doubt it.

**geysir** · 19/01/2011, 5:59 PM

That would call for a conspiracy. About the only thing in this matter that could have an influence on Mancini, would be Capello. They are both Italian, from a country where if something has a 10% probability, it becomes a fact in progress. The only thing that can disprove this fact in progress, is if Mancini plays Given.

**SwanVsDalton** · 19/01/2011, 6:25 PM

I can't see him dropping Hart. Think Mancini holding on to Given is as much about threatening Hart, at a time his form has dipped, by having a more than capable replacement. Selling Given at this point would, if anything, make Hart more complacent.

Still it's up to Shay to agitate for the move. I suspect he's holding on to hope he'll displace Hart but, realistically, I can't see it happening. Mancini's has his number one in mind and even if Shay got a run of games, in all likelihood one mistake would see him dropped immediately (unlike the multiple chances Hart will be provided).

**Noelys Guitar** · 22/01/2011, 5:26 PM

If City lose this match then Given is going to be in a difficult situation. Harte was partly at fault for the goal and has just used up his ninth life. Shay will have to make a Clash call ie should I stay or should I go and Mancini must now be seriously thinking recall for Given.

**irishultra** · 22/01/2011, 6:48 PM

hart did not make a mistake for the goal, he pulled off a decent save that fell to the wrong person.

**Noelys Guitar** · 22/01/2011, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by irishultra

hart did not make a mistake for the goal, he pulled off a decent save that fell to the wrong person.

It took him forever to get down to push away a medium hit shot. Must have been watching a different game.

Here is just one report from the game. From the Telegraph of all places

Though it was not the sharpest effort Joe Hart, moving sluggishly across his goal, could do no more than palm away. Bent, lurking on Aleksandar Kolarov's shoulder, exploded forward, veins pumping ice as Villa Park screeched in expectation, earning himself 37,815 worshipers as he slid the ball in.

**Serb** · 22/01/2011, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Here is just one report from the game. From the Telegraph of all places

Though it was not the sharpest effort Joe Hart, moving sluggishly across his goal, could do no more than palm away. Bent, lurking on Aleksandar Kolarov's shoulder, exploded forward, veins pumping ice as Villa Park screeched in expectation, earning himself 37,815 worshipers as he slid the ball in.

The Guardian has this to say:

Young breaks down the inside-left channel, makes it into the box, opens up his body and sidefoots powerfully for the bottom-right corner. Hart - who is making a lot of mistakes this season - palms out weakly, allowing Darren Bent to open his account with a simple-enough tap-in.

**SkStu** · 22/01/2011, 8:01 PM

the differences in description certainly gave me a laugh!

Bent, lurking on Aleksandar Kolarov's shoulder, exploded forward, veins pumping ice as Villa Park screeched in expectation, earning himself 37,815 worshipers as he slid the ball in!

allowing Darren Bent to open his account with a simple-enough tap-in

**ArdeeBhoy** · 22/01/2011, 9:12 PM

Given can go, but not to another 'top' PL club apparently. As in probably the very few who can afford his wages.

Unless someone like Reina decides to leave?

And definitely worth a recall for Citeh.

**seanfhear** · 23/01/2011, 11:21 AM

For what its worth the Motd panel definitely thought Hart made a mistake.

**geysir** · 23/01/2011, 11:24 AM

Are there two conditionals, Man city won't allow him to go until they have a replacement and also won't allow a rival team to sign him?
Wouldn't the latter condition just apply to a loan move?

**tetsujin1979** · 23/01/2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

For what its worth the Motd panel definitely thought Hart made a mistake.

so did Keegan in the half time analysis

**elroy** · 24/01/2011, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by seanfhear

For what its worth the Motd panel definitely thought Hart made a mistake.

Defo was a mistake imo and they actually illustrated it very well. Showed a very similar save he made in the second half where he palmed the ball around the post as opposed to straght back out to the middle of the penalty area. He has had 3-4 errors in recent weeks that have directly/indirectly resulted in goals. Other keepers have been dropped for less, particularly when a keeper the calibre of Shay is on the bench. Still think Shay needs to move though as Mancini is not going to drop the darling of the English media.

**Junior** · 24/01/2011, 10:55 AM

Are those the first points that any of Harts mistakes have cost City though? That will be a factor in Mancinis thought process (rightly or wrongly). I doubt Hart will be dropped, its just a period he is going through. Shay will need to make a move in the next 10 days.

**tetsujin1979** · 24/01/2011, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Junior

Are those the first points that any of Harts mistakes have cost City though? That will be a factor in Mancinis thought process (rightly or wrongly). I doubt Hart will be dropped, its just a period he is going through. Shay will need to make a move in the next 10 days.

didn't cost any points, but the mistake in the first cup game against Leicester meant that game had to go to a replay