I should clarify. Despite his errors, Hart's overall play has been so good that he doesn't deserve to be dropped. I'm not sure the criticism will be so harsh - he wasn't singled out much after Tuesday's game, and by all accounts he made a couple of important saves today.Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Point was that this is another bad result for City and the owners will be looking to point the finger at someone. I think it's fair to say that a it's fine for a keeper to make some great saves, but one serious blunder like today can quickly negate a lot of the good play. We'll see how the sunday papers react anyway - if Given wasn't waiting in the wings i don't think as big an issue would be made out of it. But in fairness, Given wasn't dropped because of poor form.
Hart gets the start tonight - currently eating my hat. Sad thing is, if Hart didn't screw up at the weekend, Shay might have started this one.
Wot game is he starting?! Is there next game not Salzburg in the Europa League thurs nite? Has Mancini come out and stated that he is staying with Calamity Hart for that one??
Sorry meant thursday night, and aye he has http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-2336527.html although it has been reported differently elsewhere since i posted that, so we can hope.
Was watching the Sunday Supplement on sky sports this morning and the journos were talkin briefly about Shay.Aparently Shay has done an interview in one of the papers about how frustrated he is(didnt see what paper so dont have a link). One of the journos said that he had a right to be frustrated because he knows he is one of the top keepers in the country, but one of the other fellas cut across him and said "well, he was".
I know I probably just Im just paranoid or cranky this early in the mornin but to me that sums up the media in english football perfectly. Because Shay is challenging an english player for his place I think some journalists will actively try to influence public opinion in england to write Shay Given off as a viable alternative. I fully believe the same thing has happened with Robbie Keane at Spurs over the years in his battle with Defoe for a starting place. I remember 1 example a couple of years ago when Robbie scored 4 goals in a game, there was hardly a peep about it in the english media but a couple of months later Defoe scored 5 in one game and the papers were full of it for about a week after.
Now I have no problem with a nation hyping up their own players, we do it ourselves on here often enough, but when I see some fella saying that Given used to be one of the top keepers in the Premiership its annoys me. Up to his shoulder injury at the end of last season Shay was almost faultless in goals for City and he has done nothing at all in the meantime to suggest he is starting to fade as a top keeper.
Its really not that complicated!!!
Shay Given has confirmed that he will seek a loan move if he cannot wrestle the No.1 jersey back from Joe Hart at Manchester City.
Hart, who has become England's first choice since the World Cup, spent last season on loan at Birmingham City.
Upon his return to Eastlands, Roberto Mancini handed him the No.1 spot - meaning Given has been left to kick his heels on the bench.
"It's very, very frustrating. I know it doesn't matter what I do on the training pitch, I won't be playing at the weekend. If I'm flying around like Clark Kent in goals, I still won't play on Saturday. That can be demoralising," he told the Sunday Times.
A move away from the club before the transfer window closed was vetoed by City, but Given insists that he will not just sit on the bench.
"The club said I wasn't going anywhere and that was frustrating," he continued.
"We'll see what happens come January and hopefully if the situation's the same I can go on loan and try and get some games in.
"I've never said I want to leave Man City. I believe it's a big club that in the next couple of years is going to do big things. I want to be part of that but I also want to be playing football.
"I wouldn't mind where a loan was and wouldn't rule out abroad if it was a good club and a good team, no disrespect to a club that's fighting relegation and getting pummelled every week - though at the minute that probably seems better than what I'm doing."
Many expected Given to be handed a chance to impress during the club's Europa League campaign, but Hart was again given the nod against Red Bull Salzburg on Thursday.
And the Irishman admits he was disappointed, adding: "I thought I'd have played but I don't know what the manager's thinking because he hasn't told me."
There was defintely 100% some political pressure on Mancini to make Hart the no.1. He's now no longer referred to as Joe Hart, but Englands no.1
Shay needs to get away from that, and yes Robbie has had exactly the same treatment. Crouch was in no way better than Robbie yesterday but robbie gets hassle in the media and nothing said about crouch. This is why i despise the english media, and they're mostly responsible for why i like england losing.
can't blame the english media too much, after all it's their league and theyre bound to hype up their own players. one of the many disadvantages of the AL's lowly status is that we can't do the same about our international players playing in our domestic league.
This seems to be becoming a common complaint with players on their way out of Eastlands.And the Irishman admits he was disappointed, adding: "I thought I'd have played but I don't know what the manager's thinking because he hasn't told me."
He has to get out of City. Even if he gets back in the team they will always be trying to get someone else. It is better that he is at a club were he feels wanted (same goes for Robbie Keane). Fulham, Stoke, Sunderland or whoever. He is still worth 6 to 8 points a season to a team.
I think for Shay, understanding he's one of the best keepers out there he really just wants a medal to hang on his wall. Probably thinking of the cabinet Giggs has and feeling crap about it. He really does deserve something - but i don't think it will happen at City even if he is their no.1
On SKY's text service he was quoted as saying he'd consider a move abroad as long as it was a good club. Encouraging...
Very much so.. Also a foreign club would be no threat to City's season so they'd be more likely to approve a move there than they would to a PL rival.
He should never have left Newcastle.
He should have left them a lot earlier.
As a City supporter this rates up there with the other crazy decisions made at the club over time. Given was widely acknowledged as being the best signing of the big money splurges over the last 18 months to 2 years and is the first to be publicly cast out. I don't understand really why Mancini didn't let him go in August, he obviously knew then Given was going to play second fiddle. He may not have had a suitable back-up. For us, it's bad news. It doesn't look like he'll get much action before Russia/Slovakia games. On the upside, once he doesn't become cup-tied in the Europa League, I'd say a few European clubs will be interested come January!
'And Crouch must score'
Mancini has now told him he can leave in January.
Looks to me like Mancini effectively tricked him into staying with his promises of starting him in Europe. Get out of there Shay, you're too good to be getting splinters from the bench
Newcastle are being linked with him after Harper's injury.
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