He has more in the last 2 years in the PL than Whelan, Andrews and Green together. (Thanks to your useful post from other thread)Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
depends on your definition of "them". If it's just midfielders, and you're not including Walters, Coleman and Hunt in that definition, then yes he doesHe has more in the last 2 years in the PL than Whelan, Andrews and Green together. (Thanks to your useful post from other thread)
Dunphy is a ranter and becomes somewhat 'over emotional', but I basicall agree with him on this.
It's nearly major Championship time, it's tradition that Dunphy should stir it up a bit. Jack Charlton/Egypt game in Italia '90, Mick McCarthy/Saipan in Japan/Korea '02 and now he's completing the hat-trick with our thrid manager to reach a major finals. He's probably making a scene a bit earlier than usual just in case we don't actually embarrass ourselves in an incredibly difficult group. He obviously has his own agenda and should really be enjoyed as a bit of comic relief more than anything else.
Whether he makes some points which aren't totally incorrect is irrelevant. He speaks about it with the same emotion and passion as he does about the country's economic situation, things aren't that serious like!
I have an intense loathing for Dunphy, but I think he is completely right. It was a shameful apology for a performance against mediocre opposition. Trap's entire strategy is prediacted on a conviction that he is working with inferior material. To that end he has a logical preference for the technically limited players like Green who will stick to the plan. We are playing the most brutally primitive and ugly football that I have ever witnessed from an Irish team. To those who argue "it works", we simply dont know that for sure because we have never seen how an alternative Irish team adopting more positive tactics would perform. We were lucky to qualify and will be lucky to come home without abject humiliation. We were better off under Kerr and that is saying something.
- hyperbole
- sensationalism
- wild accusations
- self loathing
third policeman, are you eamo himself? all that was missing was baby at the end
He doesn't know what he wants. Against Armenia, we had just qualified for the playoffs, and he declared "we won't qualify". 20 minutes later on air, he came to his senses. When we qualified and got the toughest group in the finals, he told us that basically Italy and Spain were no good. Now he's telling us after 12 games unbeaten, that we'll be "embarrassed and humiliated" at the finals. He says now that the coach has "very little support" in the country now. 2 minutes later, in the middle of his rant, he declares it's "not popular" to say this, so this is what Trap who has won everything going in the past 35 years is dealing with. He then finishes off by telling RTE how he watched the rival channel's coverage of the Czech Republic game.
It doesn't matter how it looks on tv, it doesn't matter whether we have 10% possession or not, it doesn't matter how "predictable" we are, it doesn't matter that inexperienced players won't be thrown into the deep end in Gdansk and Poznan, or even the odd occasion we are behind at Lansdowne. What matters is the scoreline, and usually we have at least as many, and more than the technically superior opposition. We were going nowhere before he took over and without Trap, we would merely be preparing to fight out third spot in the next qualifiers with Austria to protect the seeding for 2016. Not quite the same, is it?
We know how. Here's a brief resume:
2002: Ireland 2-4 Russia
2006: Ireland 0-4 Holland
2006: Ireland 2-5 Cyprus
2007: Ireland 1-1 Cyprus
2007: Ireland 2-2 Slovakia
2007: Ireland 0-1 Czech Republic
That's what the more positive tactics achieved and where Dunphy and co want us. Entertaining lovable losers, not 12 games unbeaten.
Last edited by mypost; 02/03/2012 at 10:48 PM.
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Whatever about McClean, I cannot understand the McCarthy situation. McCarthy would do exactly the job Trap wants him to do in midfield - and do it better than anyone we have at the moment.
I can understand the omission of the likes of Hoolahan and A Reid, and I doubt we will be humiliated in Poland, but we would be a better team if McCarthy was playing imo.
McClean would be a good sub to have in Poland - a la Jason McAteer in USA 94. Young kid, bang on form, a bit fearless amd could be very useful. I hope he travels, but I wouldn't count on it.
The point of friendly games is test tactical and personnel alterations that are of interest to the manager. How are you or anyone else in a position to say who or what these changes "should" be. You're not on the training ground or at coaching meetings, you have no idea what trap does or doesn't know about these players. He may have seen enough of them to not need to play them, he may have seen enough of them to not want to play them.
The primary change in this friendly was Keane in a deeper role to try and link with the midfield. Playing a second string side and first cappers would have rendered the results of the tactical pretty irrelevant as there'd be different players playing when using it would actually count.
On the Walters comment, maybe just maybe you aren't at the relevant level of experience to comprehend what is or isn't a sensible tactical selection by a manager of 40 years and 22 trophies. Shocking, I know.
You sound like a 12 year old who just installed championship manager if you naively think that international selection works this way. Don't let the fact that he's playing for the worst premiership team, doesn't play in a 2 man midfield and is having a dire season sway you from a good rant though.
Rory Delap has played 15 more games than Damien Duff, mainly the same position. I know who I want on the right wing.He has more in the last 2 years in the PL than Whelan, Andrews and Green together. (Thanks to your useful post from other thread)
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Based on what?
Can't agree with that at all. Trap's record speaks for itself. I was of the opinion we rode our luck a bit in Russia and were too close to capitulating for comfort, but it can't all be a fluke. In two campaigns, Trap's managed to get us to a World Cup play-off (where you might even say we were unlucky to go out in such a fashion) and the Euros. We're ranked within the top 20 teams in the world. Where did Kerr get us?
Even if we are to be humiliated at the finals - and I don't think we will be - I'd honestly rather that than another summer without Ireland at a finals watching games that mean nothing to me. We qualified on merit. We deserve to be there, just like every other team that qualified.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 03/03/2012 at 7:29 AM.
Did we get luck in Russia? We were due it after all the years of no luck away from home. Remember Vaduz? 40 shots at goal, and the ball wouldn't go in. Nobody remembers that, just the result.
We went to Moscow, looked for a point and got what we wanted. It doesn't matter how the game panned out, we got our point. Russia are almost invincible at home, and better teams with better players struggle to get anything out there.
Last edited by mypost; 03/03/2012 at 8:58 AM.
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Based on my opinion? I think, from what I have seen of him, he is a better player than both Andrews and Whelan. Opinions eh ? they are like @rseholes - everybody has one!
Jaysus mypost you are really outdoing yourself on this thread - not happy with referencing friendly defeats in the 80's (although I see they are deleted now!) when cross referencing our "tactics" over the years, - you are now telling us that Russia really was karma for that debacle in Vaduz!
If that's the type of roll Trap is on - then we should get 9 pts in our group - a 1-0 win over Croatia will merely be payback for Davor Sukur's injury time winner against us in 1999.
Our 3-0 win against Spain will be revenge for that playoff in Paris in 65'.
Our final righteous slice of retribution and a 2-1 injury time win against Italy surely is the least we deserve for Gilardino's last minute equaliser in Croker last October 2 years ago!!!!
Things will get really exciting if we get France in the quarters.......
Back to your original point btw - id hardly call 40 shots on goal against an amateur team - and the subsequent failure to score, bad luck! Horrendous finishing maybe.
It's frustrating that when we discuss the subject of Ireland's quality of football, those who suggest that perhaps we could play with a most positive mindset are almost always met with exaggerated comparisons and arguments. Quoting results under Staunton doesn't prove that Ireland can't play attacking football; it merely proves that an unqualified manager, out of his depth, in charge of a team will invariably result in awful hammerings.
We shouldn't buy into this logic that the only choice is either Trapattoni's & win, or Barcelona's and lose - that there's no such things as a middle ground to be had. Seems like we're buying into Trap's mentality that we're simply not capable of playing with any technical skill or a forceful agenda.
Do I begrudge us being in the Finals? Hell no. Do I wish Trap acknowledge we can do more than simply play ugly? Hell yes.
About time someone stood up for Rory!
Speaking off rats stirring up s**t before a major finals. Anyone read Sadlier in the Independent this weekend?
I want to be the next Dunphy
Dunphy lost any respect from me by saying that "we know more about football" than Trappatoni. Hmm, really?
Following on from Mypost, Russia was deserved, the team came to draw, could have won, but got a point. They silenced the home crowd early - who had nothing to add to the occasion except booing the excellent Irish group.
Sadlier is a failed football agent, failed football ceo and is desperately trying to get a media career with out Dunphying Dunphy. Joke.
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