uefa cup updates

**Slash/ED** · 29/07/2004, 9:06 PM

To lose to an unseeded team when you're seeded so unbelivebley easily is a disgrace, there's no other way to look at it. The only experience that Vaduz side has in Europe is in being beaten.

**eirebhoy** · 29/07/2004, 9:21 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Not true - they haven't progressed a round; they've won three or four games (see the UEFA Coefficients list - there's a link knocking around somerwhere) though. Also, they're not really a Liechtenstein team - they lost in a promotion/relegation play-off to get promoted to the Swiss top flihgt last season (3-2 to Neuchatel Xamax, who are a decent team). It's still a very disappointing result, but not quite as bad as is being made out.

It was actually 21 matches:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UEF...Id=208694.html

**tippman** · 29/07/2004, 9:28 PM

just because malmo were from sweeden and nec from holland didnt mean they had to beat cork
longford and bohs are struggling in the league so i dont think we should have expected much
shels should bead hadjuk and corks intertoto run this year speaks for itself

**Gary** · 29/07/2004, 9:32 PM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

European veterans compared to Longford then and like I said, experience matters more often than not in European competition.

Before City started this seasons Euro campaign there were only 3/4 players in the whole squad who had played European Football before.

Pathetic result. But having seen Longford play last sunday, its not a surprise. They are a very poor team, who have gone backwards.

Its strage really because they finished 4th last season, won the cup, and were alot of peoples outside bet to be in the top 3.

**tiktok** · 29/07/2004, 9:40 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

....they've won three or four games.....

before Longford they'd gotten through one round on penalties after both ties ended in the same draw, but they'd never won a Euro tie.

**Colm** · 30/07/2004, 12:02 AM

This result is a joke, fcuking pathetic. Ditto with Bohs results on Tuesday. I thought the league had moved on from the dark to days of losing to little known teams from sh!t leagues.

After the Rebel Army's historic achievements in Europe, Longford and Bohs have to go and embarrass Irish football. At least this further proves that there is only one big club in Ireland.

**southside bohs** · 30/07/2004, 12:40 AM

drinkfeckarse- stop making out that vaduz are a good side or an average side cos they are not, they are a team that play in a league below us, just because they play in switzerland does not make them good, the swizz league is not very strong ( ye basel but so what).

The fact remains that bohs and longford had the best opportunity to progress but bottled it. we have both let the league down and should be mocked.

I feel all four european places should be given to the league, the last three teams that won the cup were Longford,Derry and dundalk, their result of the european matches were longford v Vaduz agg 2-4, Derry v Apoel Nicosia agg 2-4?(they were well beaten anyway) Dundalk v Varteks agg 0-9

The results of those teams were shocking but we can't blame them because they are not great teams been sent to europe to be slaughtered. The league is two competitive and only three places are been given so i feel the Fai cup european spot should be replaced by a healty financial figure and the fourth placed team in the league entry to inter-toto.

We need to progress in europe.

before you start moaning i know bohs were **** too but we dominated the fcuking game while longford got ****ed on.

**max power** · 30/07/2004, 1:17 AM

were you at either of our games southside bohs ???

**patsh** · 30/07/2004, 8:01 AM

Lads, I don't want to be to harsh, but this is the second shocking result of the week. If the league has any hope of moving onwards and upwards, both Bohs and Longford needed to get through at least one round.

In the 2 main Euro competitions, so far the eL record is
Played 7
Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 4
For 7
Against 12

Thats terrible, really dire.
We really need $h�l$ to win next week.........

**drinkfeckarse** · 30/07/2004, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by southside bohs

drinkfeckarse- stop making out that vaduz are a good side or an average side cos they are not, they are a team that play in a league below us, just because they play in switzerland does not make them good, the swizz league is not very strong ( ye basel but so what).

And how do you know that they are not? I know that they are no Madrid but either are Longford. And tell me how you know that the Swiss 2nd division is worse than the Eircom league. Fair enough, Shels, City and Bohs are probably better than that but the rest of the league probably isn't. Are ye forgetting that most of the Eircom league are part time!? There's nothing wrong with expecting success but to call it a disgrace that they didn't beat them is nothing short of uneducated.

Also Slash, since when are Uefa's seedings reliable OR valued? Seedings don't mean a sh1te most of the time and most people acknowlegde that.

**drinkfeckarse** · 30/07/2004, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

Lads, I don't want to be to harsh, but this is the second shocking result of the week. If the league has any hope of moving onwards and upwards, both Bohs and Longford needed to get through at least one round.

In the 2 main Euro competitions, so far the eL record is
Played 7
Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 4
For 7
Against 12

Stats don't lie, we are a poor footballing nation of Europe so why are ye all of a sudden DEMANDING that teams like Longford beat a full time professional outfit? Patsh, I agree that the league needs teams to start progressing but until the whole of the league goes full time then that's along way off.
Also as delighted as I was when City were winning their ties....if some of ye think it was a disgrace that Longford didn't beat Vaduz then imagine what the supporters of Malmo, Nijmegen etc are thinking about the fact their side was beaten by an Irish team given our reputation in Europe?

**eoinh** · 30/07/2004, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Also Slash, since when are Uefa's seedings reliable OR valued? Seedings don't mean a sh1te most of the time and most people acknowlegde that.

they are very reliable. you only have to compare the results with the seedings.

Liechtenstein is a country of only 25,000. ireland has 4 million. get real.

Vaduz are only part-time as well.

What with resluts, tv coverage our league is going backwards not forwards

**eoinh** · 30/07/2004, 8:40 AM

Also, there is no doubt that in this years european competitions our teams got the easiest draws EVER in the UEFA and EUROPEAN Cups.

**max power** · 30/07/2004, 9:24 AM

those guys lost out on promotion to swiss first division in a play off, they are a well organised full time team and we are not. their european experience said a lot for them.

we have positives, we scored, twice, yes we did. we let in 3 very soft goals and i mean very soft.

we still have 2 cups and can still get up the table.

say as you please, i am a proud town fan after last night, our guys never put their heads down and kept going all night.

**drinkfeckarse** · 30/07/2004, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by max power

those guys lost out on promotion to swiss first division in a play off, they are a well organised full time team and we are not. their european experience said a lot for them.

we have positives, we scored, twice, yes we did. we let in 3 very soft goals and i mean very soft.

we still have 2 cups and can still get up the table.

say as you please, i am a proud town fan after last night, our guys never put their heads down and kept going all night.

They'll also learn from the experience Max should there be a next time. Eoin, the seedings are about as reliable as the FIFA world rankings. I would say you are in a vast minority if you think the seedings mean anything. Think what you want, I personally don't think it was a "disgrace" and I think you show your knowledge of the National league and football in general to be limited if you do.

**max power** · 30/07/2004, 9:45 AM

disgrace my big hairy ar$e

**patsh** · 30/07/2004, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

Think what you want, I personally don't think it was a "disgrace" and I think you show your knowledge of the National league and football in general to be limited if you do.

Really?
Digger used that exact word, disgrace.
Why shouldn't we expect that Longford should beat Vaduz?
Accusing people of having a limited knowledge of football simply shows up the barreness of your mentality.
"Our league is poor so we didn't do too bad" is your point of view. Well f*ck that.
We should be showing ambition, having expectations and demanding more.
Otherwise, you and your mentality will prevail and we will get NOWHERE.
Cop yourself on and instead of coming up with sh*te excuses, call a spade a f*cking spade...

**max power** · 30/07/2004, 10:39 AM

we weren't good enough over two legs, but i wouldn't even think of using the word disgrace....

btw were you at either game to jugde for yourself or are you going on media hearsay ???

**max power** · 30/07/2004, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

."Our league is poor so we didn't do too bad" is your point of view. :

where did i imply that in any of my posts ???

as i said above we weren't good enough, but through winning the cup we earned the right to play in europe, not for the league, but for us.....

just as cork were playing for cork, they weren't saying lets do it for irish football, na it was for cork. simple as that.

we were knocked out last night, badly i might add. but thats our problem and we'll deal with it.