I agree 100% with you. My point is, Gunther is aprt of a cartel at the club that has been there too long (players, management and board) and it's going stale. The club needs to be sorted out from top to bottom. I never said Murphy should be the only one to go.Originally posted by Barry's Tea
Anyone who knows anything about the club will know and agree that a certain lady never stops working for the club but there are jobs that only the board can do.
Sack the board is a quick fix.
Sack Liam Murphy is a quick fix.
to be honest, gunther would not have been my choice for manager. It seemed not bringing in new blood would be a bad thing for the club. But you have got to say things look good.
I cannot remember when the club had so many good young players. we are gunning for glory on 3 fronts.
Dare i say it a treble?
the crowds should now in the coming weeks be back at the cross for the big matches that are on the horizon...
why dwell on the negatives?
Let's hope so, and let's hope the money that is generated will be spent wisely - is that a fair comment lads?Originally posted by Pablo
the crowds should now in the coming weeks be back at the cross for the big matches that are on the horizon...
yesOriginally posted by joe
Let's hope so, and let's hope the money that is generated will be spent wisely - is that a fair comment lads?
gerry hit the nail on the head.........what has murphy done thats wrong & who is the prpoper manager so??
j'accuse!
Hi lads, give gerry d a break. support your club and stop shooting yourselvs in the foot. up the board
Lose them negative vibes lads,nowan thought Murph would do much but in fairness to him he's got the boys flyin'. Go down to Cashmans now and throw a score on the double while the odds are still good! Doucha Gerry.
The light at the end of the tunnel could be an oncoming train!
its a shame that the negative aspects are always dwelt upon
I don't think anyone is dwelling on anything negative. Rather they're highlighting some aspects of our club which they are unhappy with and would like to see improved.
But will they be improved on this MB?Originally posted by joe
I don't think anyone is dwelling on anything negative. Rather they're highlighting some aspects of our club which they are unhappy with and would like to see improved.
Gerry
no but they would be discussed and maybe people that had differing views as people here clearly do would be able to view them and then someone unaware of either side and I'll bet there are alot of city fans that know nothing about the board, can read both sides and make up their mind, one way or the other
and logically they will find the board to be cowboys
its getting things out in the open..like..kinda..like
life is random
Nobody's suggesting that, but surely discussion is a good thing? Message Boards may bot be the ideal place to discuss things but there's not really anywhere else is there?Originally posted by Gerry Desmond
But will they be improved on this MB?
Joe & James:Originally posted by joe
Nobody's suggesting that, but surely discussion is a good thing? Message Boards may bot be the ideal place to discuss things but there's not really anywhere else is there?
It's good, ok, that stuff is talked about here; I don't have a problem with that, in fact I welcome it. My point is that there is a LIMIT to what this MB can achieve. It can't, especially, IMPROVE the lot of the club, nor can it provide answers that ONLY club directors can provide, a point I made earlier.
Gerry
ok fair enough the club is far from ideally run. no arguements there. but come January we could be top of the league and in the later stages of both cups, the best support in the league, a good stadium with floodlights etc etc
i think many EL clubs would be envious but we love to have a gripe dont we?
why not support Gunther and the lads? weather or not we like the man or not this, fingers crossed could be some year.....
that's a joke for a start! we didn't have the 'best support in the league' against Dundalk in September when we were after a few bad results, or even against Galway last week when the West Brits were watching $eltic on Sky.Originally posted by Pablo
the best support in the league
I hope we go on and win the league, it would be brilliant.
But I for one don't want to support a team that only draws a big crowd depending on our position in the League. We have to aim to build something a lot more concrete than that. A product that people are proud of and will support regardless of whether we're on top of the League.
Some people then just want a trophy, like in '98, we were in the biggest mess for a long time. We won the Cup and all the cracks were covered over - cracks that are still there today.
I suggest you start to watch $hel$ so as no matter where they in the league they still get a massive 1000-1500Originally posted by Casegrande
But I for one don't want to support a team that only draws a big crowd depending on our position in the League.
Seriously though every club gets less for teams like Dundalk & more for the big games. CCFC don't foster a community spirit to increase the core support. I'd be a lot more disappointed if we couldn't get big crowds when top of the league.
jez lads that is some discussion all the same.
all i can do is offer my mates perspective on ccfc and the national league.
i have haranging them for years to go to games and they won't.
do you know what their reason are?
they claim all the 0-0 draws and the hoof football puts them off as well as the shameuteur nature of ccfc and national league football.
now we all know that isn't true but it does reflect in miniture the perception that people in cork have of ccfc and national league.
as for the way the club is run i personally don't think it is run any better or worse than it was since the late 80's which in my mind is on a ad-hoc basis. there is no money or glamour in national league for investors and exiists on a hand 3 mouth basis.
let's face it lads the national league is a shambles and this is coming from a supporter who actually daydreams about city winning 4 leagues on the trot ans whom my girlfriend wonders who i love more!!!!!!
keep the faith
john flynn? - awesome!!!!!!
I support CCFC no matter what the weatherOriginally posted by Pablo
why not support Gunther and the lads? weather or not .....
life is random
I agree there's a limit to what this MB can achieve, but I do believe it can improve the lot of the club, discussing things and getting them out in the open is bound to, isn't it?Originally posted by Gerry Desmond
My point is that there is a LIMIT to what this MB can achieve. It can't, especially, IMPROVE the lot of the club, nor can it provide answers that ONLY club directors can provide, a point I made earlier.
btw what's stopping club directors from providing those answers here?
From my viewpoint, it's not a matter of whether people like him or not, or support the team or not, it's more trying to make sure that:Originally posted by Pablo
why not support Gunther and the lads? weather or not we like the man or not this, fingers crossed could be some year.....
1) there's a team to support in the future (I wasn't around when previous Cork clubs were, but I don't want to see the same happen to my club,
2) the club develops, on and off the field, to a higher level.
that's what I'm talking about.Originally posted by Casegrande
We have to aim to build something a lot more concrete than that. A product that people are proud of and will support regardless of whether we're on top of the League.
and yet Shels are recognised as one of the more professional clubs in the country. They can pay professional wages getting those sort of crowdsOriginally posted by pete
I suggest you start to watch $hel$ so as no matter where they in the league they still get a massive 1000-1500
Joe, be realistic!
People (fans) ALWAYS talk about their club. Gripe, moan, argue, disagree, praise, slate and just about everything else you can think of.
MBs can make fans more informed, offer a chance to float ideas, let off steam even have a laugh. However, and I stand to be corrected here, I can't recall a single instance of directors ANYWHERE making a decision due to the influence of a MB.
It's strongly argued here by several posters that directors have NO time for fans and NO interest in them. To take that one step further: why should anyone then assume directors scour MBs to take the views of fans on board?
There's nothing stopping directors addressing fans via a forum or MB, but come on, Joe, what do you expect?
I've suggested earlier that questions be put to the directors; I wouldn't suggest here as a likely place to draw a response.
We all want a team and a club to be proud of, what would be the point otherwise? Take my word for it: questions are being asked here that aren't gonna be answered here. I've tried to make this clear, but it seems like the message is getting lost somewhere...
Gerry
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