Dan Crowley M Notts County b.1997

**Charlie Darwin** · 04/10/2014, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Olé Olé

Did not know that at all, at all. Presumed when they said his father played GAA that he was Irish-born. So, at the risk of getting it wrong again, his mother is Irish-born and his father could be some way 2nd generation?

Not sure about his mother but from what I remember his paternal grandparents are Irish.

**DannyInvincible** · 04/10/2014, 6:03 PM

Pretty sure both Crowley's parents were born in England.

**DannyInvincible** · 04/10/2014, 6:57 PM

Crowley's paternal grandparents are from Waterford and both his parents are heavily involved in the Irish community in Coventry, so is it fair to assume that there is Irish on both sides?

**Olé Olé** · 06/10/2014, 11:11 AM

I was assuming that one of his parents may have been born in Ireland because it gets mentioned that he visits his 'folks' during the summers in Ireland. I thought the most logical assumption was that it was his grandparents living here but it may be extended family or perhaps his grandparents moved back, as opposed to one of his parents being Irish-born. CD cleared things up as regards his father. Completely unsure about his mother's background but her involvement in the Irish community would nod towards an Irish background herself (or being dragged along by her husband to make sandwiches for after gaelic football matches, that's conceivable too!).

The litmus test would be if he pronounces his own surname as 'Cr-o-ley' or 'Cr-ow-ley'...

**DannyInvincible** · 06/10/2014, 5:39 PM

The 'Crow-' is pronounced as if it rhymes with 'cow' the animal rather than 'crow' the bird, right? At least that's always how I've pronounced that surname. Of course, many rounded English accents struggle to pronounce that 'ow/ou' sound as sharply as an Irish or Scottish accented person might pronounce it.

**Charlie Darwin** · 06/10/2014, 5:52 PM

Most/all people pronounce it like the bird. I blame Ozzy Osbourne for confusing everyone.

**DannyInvincible** · 07/10/2014, 12:37 AM

That's surprised me. Maybe I've been mishearing it. I don't personally know any Crowleys, but I always recall a Kerry GAA player called Johnny Crowley and I was pretty sure I was always hearing commentators say it as if it rhymed with "cow".

Surely Olé Olé's litmus test would suggest there is more than one pronunciation of the surname in common use? Which do you say is the "more authentic", Olé?

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/10/2014, 12:50 AM

There was the RTE presenter Carrie Crowley whose name was pronounced the cow way (no reflection on her) but I have no idea if that's how she did. I reckon most people look at it and think that's how it's pronounced. I grew up with a guy who pronounced it like crow, but people said it the cow way anyway. Aleister Crowley clarified he pronounced it to rhyme with holy.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 07/10/2014, 1:23 AM

Tbh, don't think it really matters!

**Charlie Darwin** · 07/10/2014, 1:33 AM

I think you could write a book about the things you don't think matter, AB. In fact, I could write a book about the things you've said don't matter on here. I know more about what you don't think matters than what most of the people on here actually think matters. If only you'd only actually follow it through to its logical conclusion and stop saying you don't think things matter.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 07/10/2014, 4:29 AM

Er, this really doesn't matter...that response being a case in point...

**paul_oshea** · 07/10/2014, 7:12 AM

No one pronounces that name like the bird. And the fact that cd came on and said they do just reinforces that for me.

**Stuttgart88** · 07/10/2014, 8:41 AM

I'd have said it rhymes with roly poly myself.

Maybe it's snother Dub v Culchie thing.

**paul_oshea** · 07/10/2014, 8:50 AM

I think he is getting conflustered with cawley, Crawley etc.

**punkrocket** · 07/10/2014, 8:53 AM

Udder stupidity to get so bovvered.

**Olé Olé** · 07/10/2014, 8:55 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

That's surprised me. Maybe I've been mishearing it. I don't personally know any Crowleys, but I always recall a Kerry GAA player called Johnny Crowley and I was pretty sure I was always hearing commentators say it as if it rhymed with "cow".

Surely Olé Olé's litmus test would suggest there is more than one pronunciation of the surname in common use? Which do you say is the "more authentic", Olé?

Yeah and there's currently another Crowley on the Kerry team at present and I'm sure the entire media (even Des Cahill) pronounce it to rhyme with "cow".

I've known a few Crowley's and none pronounced to rhyme with the bird. It's a very culchie name, I'll admit. The only thing I can offer for the Dubs is Trevor Croly. Now, that'd be one to rhyme with the bird.

Maybe it's the culchie in me coming out here, but I'd view rhyming Crowley with the bird "crow" in line with rhyming Cahill with 1/7th of a week i.e. "day".

EDIT: I've just remembered, I know a Crowley from Waterford who most definitely pronounces it to rhyme with "cow". QED?

**Kingdom** · 07/10/2014, 9:02 AM

Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

That's surprised me. Maybe I've been mishearing it. I don't personally know any Crowleys, but I always recall a Kerry GAA player called Johnny Crowley and I was pretty sure I was always hearing commentators say it as if it rhymed with "cow".

Surely Olé Olé's litmus test would suggest there is more than one pronunciation of the surname in common use? Which do you say is the "more authentic", Olé?

Danny.
John Crowley was a superb Kerry forward from about 97-2007.
I've always, and I'm pretty sure other Kingdomite would back this claim up, referred to him as Johnny C-Row-Lee, not Crow-lee.

The same goes for the current Kerry Centre-back Peter Crowley.