QuoteThey were there. I know plenty of people who went to work in England around 2002/03 (not long out of college), for example. Their call.
How many were leaving for "lifestyle choices" during the boom times?Originally Posted by pineapple stu
They were there. I know plenty of people who went to work in England around 2002/03 (not long out of college), for example. Their call.
Yeah but Im not arguing that the Irish don't travel for leisure, I'm arguing that in these times when emigration is on the rise again due to reasons of unemployment and lack of (none) opportunities, for a minister charged in government with trying to sort this mess out shouldnt really be coming out with statements like this. Good for his kids and their nice private education no doubt.
Reminds back in the day when FF (Lennihan or Flynn, cant remember) used to recommend emigration to young people as a way of alleviating the jobs issue. Things have come full circle, the 80s are def back.
Well, I could have stayed in Ireland, and perhaps eventually found a job stacking shelves, or doing data entry, or digging ditches, if I really tried. Not that there is anything wrong with any of those professions, but it's not what I want to do, and without wanting to sound arrogant, would be an absolute waste of all the education I've gone through. I left because I could only find a job in engineering in the UK (I'm hardly in Leicester for the unique culture and life-affirming experiences!), just because I could have stayed at home in a far less well-paid or challenging job doesn't, in my opinion, make me that much less entitled to claim I'm a victim of the recession than someone who had the choice between the dole in Ireland, and working the building sites over here.
All that shows is that you haven't actually read the statement.
It's not 2000 anymore. These days, if you're offered a job here, you should take it, and ask questions later. When conditions improve, you can chase your dream job then. Meanwhile, it's easier to get Euro 2012 game tickets than find a job these days, for the hundreds of thousands of people in the country who genuinely want one.
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Do you not understand my post!!!! Insensitive timing on his part.Cant believe that he is willfully ignoring the real reasons behind the high level of emigration but he is an Irish politician so he might be actually that thick
So some people are leaving the country through choice. Wow that's great to know, thanks for that!
Last edited by bennocelt; 25/01/2012 at 3:11 AM.
A significant number from my peer group, even amongst those that were fully certified for a trade. I know there's people, like yourself, that feel they had no choice. But all Noonan said that this isn't the case for everyone, which is true. He should've known better how it'd be spun though.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Yeah and as I said Why the need for him to make these comments.
Often people are asked stuff. Are you saying honest answers shouldn't be given purely because the gutter media will twist them? That's not really a healthy way of looking at things; we'll end up with a planet of Daily Mail readers.
*shudders
Yeah that's fine, but he was one of the ministers attacking FF when in opposition about this very question. Looks very hypocritical
(and what the hell would the question be - "emigration, whats it all about, eh?")
Last edited by bennocelt; 25/01/2012 at 11:11 AM.
Who cares what the question was. You can read what Noonan said, and he's right in what he says.
Yeah he is right, and again I repeat - in the context of mass emigration due to LACK OF WORK AND OPPORTUNITIES, as a government minister he should be trying to sort this out and not trying to find excuses (which he so easily found in FF) for his government not curbing the problem.
So you obviously agree that all us exiles (well over 150,000) are having the time of our lives abroad, and its no way related to the state of the country. Wow
Sigh...
No, I don't agree that ALL exiles are having the time of their lives, etc. But I never said that. Some people have emigrated for lifestyle reasons. That is a fact. I know some of them. That doesn't mean all people emigrated for lifestyle reasons, and it doesn't mean that Noonan isn't trying to sort the problem out.
Is this really that hard to understand?
If he stopped blaming the last government for the current mess, and opened a paper or watched the news anytime in the past 4 years, he would see how difficult the economic situation is, and how widespread the emigration issue is. That's not all "a lifestyle choice", it's in many cases, "no choice".
But when you have a secure job, you obviously live in a glass house. Same goes for MOL and the rest of them.
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No so you agree with me then, lol
Why did he bring it up then, what point was he trying to make?
That some of the people left for "lifestyle reasons". Good for them, so..........
Whats next - "some people" bought a 2012 car, "some people" have property and are not in negativity equity, "some people" can afford the tuition fees, and "some people" are doing well, and have employment. That's great news, never knew that at all!!!
I guess FG are working for "some" of the people who voted for them.
Yes, but my choice was either a decently-paid engineering job in the UK, or the dole over here, with the possibility of a minimum-wage, unskilled job, if I was lucky. I wouldn't have starved if I'd stayed in Ireland. I mightn't have even had to live off the dole, but it's hardly like I'm waxing surfboards in Australia because I prefer the climate there to Lehinch.
What Noonan said was correct, but it was bound to be picked up on and completely mis-represented. He probably should have known better.
God, not another one!
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