QuoteExcept there are numerous other countries who've suffered at the hands of the British state.
What about their sensitivities?
And Armistice Day should be about all who died. Not about the detached notion of any individual "Nation's Fallen"...
I wish he had worn a poppy after all of this!
Except there are numerous other countries who've suffered at the hands of the British state.
What about their sensitivities?
And Armistice Day should be about all who died. Not about the detached notion of any individual "Nation's Fallen"...
Many have suffered at the hands of the British State. And the British State has suffered at the hands of many others too.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Those of us within the United Kingdom are perfectly at liberty to show our respect to The Fallen - Clubs/Players should be free, within the United Kingdom, to show their respects for the sacrifices made on behalf of the Nation if they so wish. They should also be free not to join in if they don't want too.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Not easy to do when all the available options offer basically more of the status quo.I think the best way to honour the memory of soldiers past would be to stop voting in governments that will enthusiastically send future generations out to war. But that's just me
last night when i read the news i felt that James made the wrong decision to do this. afterall he lives there and makes a living for doing something that he truely loves and thats playing football. But after seeing the reaction from some ill informed people I really admire his stance in this, sorry his decision not to wear one. You have to admire him for doing so. it wasnt easy for him to do so and we live in a democracy where people are allowed to do so.
ideas of everyone wearing a poppy on their shirt, reminds me of a regime that had people wearing red bangages on their sleeves with a white circle and a black swastica, who know maybe they'll get james to wear a gold star of david for his remaining matches
Long Live King Kenny
Fair enough NB. The latter part makes sense. But Armistice Day, as in November 11, should be about remembering all the dead from mainly pointless wars.
My only quibble would be that far more people have suffered at the hands of Britain than they or their citizens ever have.
Not sure of the maths of that one AB, but through the sacrifices made by our Armied Forces, we did help to win two World Wars against evil - The Fallen in WW1 included circa 35,000 from this island alone. I salute them, and am indebted to them for the freedom I enjoy today.
We Were Brothers.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Indeed, as that old saying goes, if it weren't for them, we Irish would all be speaking German instead of... erm, English.
I too respect those that died in WWI & II. On all sides, albeit with some exceptions...
Though winning or losing WWI had a pretty limited effect in this part of Europe.
However that pales into massive insignificance if you account for all those who died over the centuries up to modern times resisting the establishment of the British state and Empire.
Including many Irish, Scots and Welsh ironically. And a good few English people to be fair.
This is turning into a lovefest! After all the years of us arguing some points of agreement!
Yes. You can thank James...
Oh, I don't know - if that War hadn't have been won, you and me wouldn't have the freedom to argue about our identities.
Maybe James McClean wouldn't have had the freedom to choose what things he commemorates, and what he doesn't.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Or anyone else for that matter...
Including many British citizens, famous or not.
You might not agree with his decision - and he may be rash in his decision making - however there is nothing to suggest he is uneducated - the opposite in fact.
I dont!!! God, death to the person who goes against the grain, tsk
Says the guy in far away Saskatchewan, lol
Obviously you are correct about the second World War, but I've never heard WW1 described as a fight against "evil" before.
Did anyone notice Colin Murray's 'dig' at McClean on Match of the Day 2 last night? He finished the programme with the comment 'on a day when ALMOST everyone footballer chose to wear the poppy'. The guy should stick to objective presentation as I am sure he is not being paid to have a go at footballers.
Without attempting to start a debate on the 'irish question' and who did what to who, do people honestly think that people in nationalist Derry wore poppies over the weekend? Why would a young lad from Derry choose to wear one in England then. And don't spout this rubbish about him earning a living over there. If it was a choice between upsetting his family and friends back home (let's not foget get the British army's record in his native city) by wearing one or upsetting some media hacks like Colin Murray and racist soccer supporters (just have a look at some english soccer forums that are spewing out their anti Irishness today) by not wearing one I know which one I would choose.
And if you are questioning McClean's intelligence because he didn't wear a poppy perhaps an IQ test is in order for yourself.
It probably wasn't a dig, presenters often make a nudge at some controversial issue without it being an attack.
Murray and McClean have what you might call history. It sounds like a cheap shot and I wouldn't have thought it Murray's business to pass judgment on the private decision of a player, but I haven't seen it, so difficult to judge.
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