His twitter profile - which he put at the end of his comment - says he's a "proud fascist".Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I didn't click on the link, so I missed that. I guess that explains why he thinks anti fascism is a bad thing
"McClean is talentless anti-English war mongering, anti-fascist I.R.A supporting scumbag ***** hates our country and our queenand our history but happy to “earn” the Queens pound to the tune of tens of thousands of pounds paying tax to the British government which then indirectly funds the best army in the world the British army he’s a hypocrite of the highest order I ****ing detest him I hope he drops dead or someone ends his career or worse …"
That's pretty priceless
Like he wasn't paying taxes to Her Maj's government when he was with Derry! That level of vitriol really doesn't point to a well person!!
Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
- E Tattsyrup.
There's so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start.
No one mentioned anything about the Poppy.
Plenty of people have had a go at Clarkson over his actions about the Falklands number plate H982FKL. The BBC said it was just people jumping to conclusions. Personally I think Clarkson knew what he was doing.
English players have respected the Argentine anthem even in Mexico 1986. Argentine players in England wear the Poppy during November.
Sammy Marrow explained what happened. A DCFC fan posted a link to an interview he did. It's on this thread. Plus we all know McClean's background. This is the debate, is he right to stick to his beliefs or are those beliefs out dated and in the past?
People have mentioned the tragedies of both sides. McClean is a Republican so people will point out that the IRA carried out attacks on innocent people just like the British Army and the Unionist groups.
As it has been said, they play national anthems before games in America. Charleston Battery probably thought they were carrying out a nice gesture and didn't know it would upset one person. They probably never heard of James McClean never mind his beliefs!
Aye but James did nothing wrong.
I think it's a valid question. West Brom have taken a dim view of McClean's stance. They have seen the controversy that enveloped the game in America. Maybe they don't want another month of it when the season has actually began.Wolfman
RE: Clarkson. It just proves it is a one way street with these people. Clarkson deliberately provokes an entire nation and unnecessarily dredges up something that happened over a quarter of a century ago to offend people - because he thought he could get away with it. Hundreds of thousands of people sign petitions to reinstate him to the BBC. Why are they so uproarious when a footballer (and citizen of the United Kingdom) quietly pays a respectful tribute to the memories of people - some his family personally knew - who were massacred by the British Army? It's hypocritical.
OK. I'll give you that.
Sammy Morrow did the same thing as James McClean, but he wasn't bombarded with dribbling bile and histrionics. I know he had his reasons and I respect that. Why can't McClean's reasons be respected? Why should their beliefs be any more important than ours?
McClean is not a member of the I.R.A. It's a bit of a stretch to compare his actions to atrocities the I.R.A committed and/or atrocities paramilitary forces and The British ARMY committed against his people.
I know. This has been said ad nauseum. I didn't know this in the middle of the night when this story broke in Europe! I know it now. I think it's ridiculous. I have been to friendlies involving Italian & Spanish teams in America and they didn't play anthems then so it aroused my curiosity.
Drop the Clarkson angle on this discussion, it's completely irrelevant. As has been pointed out, after an investigation by the BBC, he did nothing wrong. The car was selected by researchers, some of whom weren't born when the Falklands War took place, and its number plate was deemed an unfortunate coincidence.
Charleston Battery did not act disrespectfully in any way, this is not up for debate.
McClean's decision not to wear the poppy is relevant to this, but any further debate on the wider implications of wearing a poppy by the general public is to be moved to the politics forum/
I'm really surprised this is such a big deal. hE
He didn't face the flag of the UK but bowed his head in respect.
What's the issue here?
Too many footballers go with the flow and are completely ignorant of politics, history or current affairs and will happily pose with soldiers for propaganda photos. I respect him for sticking by his beliefs.
Folding my way into the big money!!!
What did he bow his head in respect of?
In respect of the fact that a national anthem was being played I guess, just not his.
You don't bow your head to show respect to a national anthem.
Bowing your head in respect is a sign of mourning. It's not appropriate in this instance.
The more I look at it the more it looks a little childish from McClean. I know he has his reason and he has his beliefs but I still feel that it was an act of defiance. IMO, it takes a bigger man to forgive (forgiving isn't the same as forgetting) and face the flag an show respect. It shows solidarity.
The bowing was showing a disengagement obviously but can you not disengage in a respectful way? If he was chewing gum and blowing bubbles while doing some pre-match stretches it would have looked far more disrespectful.
It takes an even bigger man to finally let this go.
At least it would have been more honest and showed his true feelings. Honesty is what we always want, right?
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Chewing gum would have been more disrespectful.
That doesn't make turning away and bowing respectful.
As Ronnie Reagan joked about Gerald Ford, "You can't expect him to walk and chew gum at the same time".
(Ford's reputation for clumsiness was as a result of his new presidential guard of honor not realising he was left-handed: so that when he and they turned to acknowledge the salute, everyone bumped into each other
Matter of opinion I guess. I would see his actions as being respectful of the fact that an anthem was being played, while obviously having no respect for the anthem itself. I'm not sure how necessary it was to turn away, but bowing the head would seem like a very natural way to respectfully disengage, like the NI guys in the team photo.
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