So WBA are a good club or not then?
He was voted Wigan's 'player of the season' last year and has moved from the Championship back into the Premiership; the very opposite of nose-diving.Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat
West Brom are a good club. We a good history and tradition. A lot of WBA fans were disappointed with the signing as they felt he is a Championship player and won't improve the team. I have to agree. I seen enough of him in his second season at Sunderland. He gets the ball and runs at the defender then loses it. He'll keep doing it and doing it. I'm sorry if it upsets you but I don't think he's a good player.
True. It does look like terrible awkwardness. I was just wondering was there some other point behind it but perhaps it's just coincidental.
Well, I mean he was out of sync with the direction everyone else had their bodies positioned towards. If you look at Baird and McGinn, they are facing the exact same direction as their teammates but bow their heads and it's a less pronounced gesture.
It's very easy to infer a consensus among WBA fans here. He was obviously very good at a poor Wigan side last season and I think he deserves a chance to prove himself again. Obviously, you're a big Sunderland supporter and you have previously stated that you were completely unimpressed with the behaviour of McClean in the run-up to his exit from your club but it appears to me as though this clouds you views on McClean a bit too frequently.
EDIT: Everyone can infer a consensus to back up their own views: http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/20...t-richmond-ki/
Last edited by Olé Olé; 21/07/2015 at 10:13 AM.
It doesn't upset me. You just seemed to contradict yourself by calling WBA a good club before seemingly dismissing them in order to make the point that McClean is actually a poor player. Anyway, the vast majority of Wigan fans and at least one Premier League manager appears to disagree with your position with regard to his abilities. Make of that what you will.
And I don't see reason to interpret what he did as an intended insult rooted in hate. I thought liberal democracy was alive and well but you want him sent off for correction for thoughtcrime. Crikey.
That's true, but in Baird/McGinn's situation, the whole team remained facing forward anyway in what I suppose you could call the default position as they either weren't facing a flag or it was in front of them. Had there been a flag to the side, the rest of the team might well have turned that way with Baird/McGinn remaining facing forward and out of sync. Who's to know? Nevertheless, I see the two situations as pretty similar in the sense all parties are opting out of observance/deference. As SvD alluded to earlier, all three parties are acting from the exact same tradition or school of thought, if you could call it that.
Do you also read the Daily Mail?
Any photo/footage of the Derry City player at the FAI Cup final?
Good clubs and good managers sign bad players even Ferguson done it. Tony Pulis is in a better position to judge than me. But I'm sorry I don't rate him as a player. His an average Championship player IMO. And I haven't dismissed WBA as a club, if you read what I said, I pointed out that Sunderland Wigan and WBA offered him deals not the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea.
Secondly, I never said it was rooted in hate. It was childish and insulting towards his club and the country were he earns his trade. If wants to keep all that bitterness about the past and towards Britain that's fine because it's only harming himself. But maybe if he educated himself he'd see the big picture and it would benefit him.
Last edited by GypsyBlackCat; 21/07/2015 at 10:58 AM.
What did I say was wrong?
A local writes:
Albion fan' reaction is mixed. Some exaggerated outrage, sone support, more mildly irritated indifference. He's seen as a squad player of D2 standard really, so few strong feelings about whether he fits in or not.
Last edited by Gather round; 21/07/2015 at 11:03 AM.
So your criticism basically boils down to why couldn't he just be a good little boy and suppress his deeply-held views? That might work for you but not everybody is so passive and obedient to authority.
I never said they are. Please explain what relevance this has to anything.
Pretty much all of it.
The exaggerated outrage is always going to be the loudest.
I think he was signed as a squad player but Pulis referred to his start for Sunderland so he might be hoping for a similar impact. I mean, Walters was a lower league journeyman with a sterling work ethic. Under Pulis he became an integral player for a mid-table PL side. At an outlay of Ł1.5m and with a decent international career and relatively good age, there's little risk involved with the signing of McClean and the potential for resale if it doesn't work out.
He doesn't have to obey authority just show respect. Not to the Queen or Britain but to his teammates, fans and club. It made him look childish. Pulis wasn't too happy about it and has warned him not to do it again. So he must be like me then.
The relevance is he isn't a top player at one of one of the top teams. If he keeps making headlines for the wrong reasons clubs won't want him.
Well most WBA fans feel insulted and they are an English club. Reading some of the comments from their fans.
Players have been called up by the FA over incidents involving, politics, gender, race, religion and sexuality. ie. Rio Ferdinand and Robbie Fowler.
Innocent civilians on both sides were killed. Some people like to heal the wounds (like the Parry's) others want to keep them open. People like McClean only want to hear their side of the story but they're two.
Showing respect in this instance is putting your head down (ironically) and suppressing your own objections. Like I said, that might be what you'd do, but when you do have strong feelings you don't just suppress them to keep up appearances.
Haven't seen any, but here's a bit of contemporaneous reporting from the Sentinel.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
If he feels that strongly why didn't he move to New York? He does realize that he pays taxes to the crown which go towards the armed forces? He's entitled to his views and beliefs. But he must know that people will not agree with him and call him a hypocrite? I'm sure he knows that innocent people on both sides died (21 in Birmingham) and this is seen as supporting the IRA?He mightn't be?! It's sad that people still feel this way and still like upon Britain as the enemy. It looks like some people will refuse to move and halt progress.[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
Because you don't have to move halfway around the world whenever you disagree with something? I think the Irish state and establishment has been and continues to be abhorrent on many levels. It doesn't make me a hypocrite to still live here. If you stopped seeing things in black and white for a moment you might realise protesting the institutions of state doesn't amount to a rejection of the entire country and all of its inhabitants.
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