James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

**DannyInvincible** · 28/02/2013, 8:18 AM

Not disagreeing with you on that point, but where are the quotes/who are the sources?

**gastric** · 28/02/2013, 8:41 AM

The reason why I am expressing concern is O'Neill has more understanding of McClean than possibly any other manager in football and I hope that if there is any issue between them that it gets resolved asap.

**DannyInvincible** · 28/02/2013, 9:17 AM

Agree with you completely, but O'Neill will know McClean's background and how he thinks, and I'd imagine McClean would hold a mutual respect for O'Neill in return. Hence, I don't think a dispute between the two is likely, nor do I feel any disagreement would be allowed to run too deeply. For that reason, and until there's something more concrete than what "coaching staff have noted", allegedly, I'm content enough to see the story as an attempt to blow things slightly out of proportion.

**SwanVsDalton** · 28/02/2013, 9:19 AM

I've never heard of McClean being aloof, have to say. Quiet and shy sure but not aloof. Always would be concerns with McClean that he'd struggle to integrate though. He's very much a homebird. Hence why he's always back in Derry and partly why best mate Eugene Ferry was shipped off to Sunderland.

Possible this kind of inwardness could be construed as aloofness or at least hinder his relationships with teammates.

**paul_oshea** · 28/02/2013, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

You got me thinking here. Having friends from Currane (and one of the denizens here has a mother from Ballycroy) I have always called it Mullranny.

But I've seen it written as Mallaranny and a quick look at Google Maps will show both.

Here's what the official word is on it...

http://www.logainm.ie/Viewer.aspx?te...ny&streets=yes

Sorry for going off-topic but I had never read it like that before and if you search either the recommendation is Mulranny, but the wiki page spells it the way you did it in the content, but the title is "Mulranny". From what I remember the signposts are the same way as I spelt it. Its the Mulranny Park hotel too!

Anyway, Ronaldo wasn't liked anywhere but it didn't really matter did it? I think McClean just isn't good enough and if they sell him in the summer it will be because of that. Any aloofness or whatever else he was at last year, wouldn't have been negated because of his performances.

**paul_oshea** · 28/02/2013, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Possible this kind of inwardness could be construed as aloofness or at least hinder his relationships with teammates.

Very much so. I think a lot of Irish lads have that, you can see it in GAA clubs abroad as well, comes across as a bit aloof or ignorant or don't make an effort to engage in conversation, but a lot of the time its a quiteness/awkwardness/shyness.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 28/02/2013, 9:56 AM

Ha ha.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-29093937.html

**Crosby87** · 28/02/2013, 11:41 AM

If you look on wiki one of their genres is "Pan-Celticism". Never heard that one before. What kind of music do you play? Oh, you know, Pan Celticism. We also have a crepe restaurant with that name.

And in accordance with an earlier conversation last year, would that be Celtisism as in Celtic the Celtic Cross or Celtic the Boston Celtics? I never know the answer to these.

**BonnieShels** · 28/02/2013, 12:00 PM

As in Celtic Cross.

**paul_oshea** · 28/02/2013, 12:47 PM

If it originated in Eire its the "k", otherwise its the "C"

I await CD or tets to come out and provide the exception to this

**tetsujin1979** · 28/02/2013, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

If it originated in Eire its the "k", otherwise its the "C"

I await CD or tets to come out and provide the exception to this

Belfast Celtic, Cork Celtic.

**DannyInvincible** · 28/02/2013, 11:27 PM

"Why is Celtic pronounced Seltic rather than Keltic, as it is in every other context?": http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Ce...+Pronunciation

From the Guardian:
A tricky one this. Ed Mortimer started us off. "The answer is simple," he said. "We are wrong to pronounce the word Keltic. It's one of those words where the pronunciation has changed for some reason in one context but not in others. Following the general rule that 'c' followed by 'e' or 'i' is pronounced as an 's', we have Seltik, as in the football club. The same pronunciation used to apply to the adjective describing the ancient inhabitants of the western fringes of Europe, including parts of modern-day Scotland, England, Ireland, Wales, France and Spain. The 's' pronunciation still applies in French, Breton and Galician - but for some reason English has changed to the keltic variant. Put simply, the football club pronunciation is the right one."

Graeme Gardiner offered an alternative view. "Celtic were founded in 1888 to benefit the Irish immigrant population of Glasgow's east end. The name Celtic was chosen to reflect the common roots of the Scots and Irish, who were on the receiving end of considerable sectarian prejudice. Unfortunately the name wasn't used much outside academic circles and was simply mispronounced by the local population. Of course the de facto pronunciation among the faithful is Sellick."

However, the truth, if it is to be had, seemed to be that both pronunciations are ostensibly correct, with Keltic having become the more accepted usage only in the last 30 years. Celtic, having been formed in the last century, naturally retained the Seltic pronunciation. This from the Medieval Scotland website, which a number of readers kindly pointed out:

"The reason the Boston Celtics and Glasgow Celtic and all those other sports teams founded around 1900 (give or take a couple decades) pronounce their names Seltic is not because they were founded by ignorant folk who didn't know any better, but because they spoke English and did know the proper pronunciation of the English word 'Celtic'.

"So what happened? Well, any number of things might explain why the in-crowd pronunciation shifted to Keltic (such as the German influence on Celtic studies, which was strong in the 19th- and early 20th-centuries) but the upshot is that it is now fashionable - almost obligatory - in certain circles to pronounce the word with a K sound rather than the original S sound. In fact, in certain circles (both in and out of academia) it is something of a litmus test - if you don't use the K sound, it will be assumed you are not knowledgeable about things Celtic. But the one and only reason Keltic is now one of the correct pronunciations of the word is because that is how many educated people pronounce it. That is the only logic in the Keltic pronunciation's favour. The standard rules of English, the rules of language, long use and practice, all argue in favour of Seltic, not Keltic. But it still remains that Seltic is a long-established, traditional pronunciation of the word in English. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pronouncing Celtic as Seltic."

Wiki:
The pronunciation of the initial c in the English words Celt and Celtic in their various meanings can be realised either as /k/ or /s/ (that is, either hard or soft). Both can be justified philologically and both are "correct" in English prescriptive usage.

Although the word originated in an early Continental Celtic language, it came to English via Greek (Keltoi), where it is spelled with a kappa; thus /k/ is the original pronunciation. This was borrowed into Latin (Celtae), where it was likewise pronounced with /k/. However in the transition from Classical Latin to Vulgar Latin and early Romance, this sound shifted to /tʃ/, a process known as palatalisation, and in French further to /s/. Under French influence, the practice c representing /s/, when used before the vowels "i" and "e," in words of Latin origin became established in English, as for example celestial, cilia, and Cicero. Thus /s/ is the inherited pronunciation in English for these words.

Until the mid-20th century, Celtic was usually pronounced with /s/ in English except by academics, but the pronunciation with /k/ has been gaining ground recently. Following the usage of philologists, /k/ is now almost invariably used with reference to Celtic culture even in non-academic contexts.

However, the /s/ pronunciation remains the most recognised form when it occurs in the names of sports teams, most notably Celtic Football Club and the Boston Celtics basketball team.

**gastric** · 01/03/2013, 12:16 AM

Thanks Danny, this one always baffled me.

**paul_oshea** · 01/03/2013, 9:08 AM

I thought K would have something do with Irish or Irish Gaelic, hence my initial post.

No Offence Danny but that seems to be mainly opinion based what you posted there.

**DannyInvincible** · 01/03/2013, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by gastric

O' Neill supposedly getting tired of McClean's behaviour and has fined him two weeks wages. Interesting article as while it is probably a beat up, if O'Neill is getting upset by McClean's behaviour, IMO he should not be punished for the actions of some idiot politician. However, if he is not getting on with his team mates, that's another issue.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29099880.html

Transpires McClean wasn't even fined and deleted his Twitter voluntarily: http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...underland-boss

The former Derry City winger has voluntarily come off Twitter and the Black Cats' boss insists that the player has not been fined for his behaviour

Sunderland manager Martin O'Neill has dismissed reports that James McClean was fined by the club after a politician criticised the player's taste in music.

The 23-year-old winger was subject to criticism from Gregory Campbell, a Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) Member of Parliament (MP) after expressing his enjoyment of the Irish folk band The Wolfe Tones, on Twitter.

Reports emerged that McClean had subsequently been forced off the social networking site and fined by the club, with suggestions that there were issues with the player's attitude both on and off the pitch.

However, O'Neill has quashed the reports, stressing that the player was training well, and insisted that McClean had not been fined by the club.

"I'll deal with things internally, but he hasn't been fined," O�Neill told the Evening Chronicle. "James has voluntarily come off Twitter and I think he now feels that concentrating totally on football issues is the most important thing for him."

He continued: "Sometimes when you are tweeting you might feel as if you're speaking to three or four friends, but this is for public consumption.

"I think he realises the best thing is to leave things alone and concentrate on footballing issues. That's very important in a game which can be excellent for you, but if you take your eye off the ball, you can disappear very, very quickly," added the Black Cats' boss.

O'Neill also stated James was training well, so I'd hazard a guess the rest of that Independent piece is a load of overblown nonsense as well then.

**DannyInvincible** · 01/03/2013, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I thought K would have something do with Irish or Irish Gaelic, hence my initial post.

No Offence Danny but that seems to be mainly opinion based what you posted there.

Fair point. Don't shoot the messenger.

**ArdeeBhoy** · 01/03/2013, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

If it originated in Eire its the "k", otherwise its the "C"

I await CD or tets to come out and provide the exception to this

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Belfast Celtic, Cork Celtic.

Grrr. You forgot the mighty Ardee Celtic...

**DannyInvincible** · 01/03/2013, 1:15 PM

My letter made the Journal's website: http://www.derryjournal.com/news/let...ones-1-4843307

Not sure if it's in today's published edition. No sign of it on the Belfast Telegraph website, from what I can make out. I don't think the Irish News publish their letters online and I can't find websites for the Ballycroy Bugle and the Mullarany Mail. I must be spelling that wrong or something...

**paul_oshea** · 01/03/2013, 1:33 PM

What of elected public representatives then? Of course, Campbell used to carry a gun himself and was a strong advocate of a shoot-to-kill policy back in the mid-1980s. Whether or not his views have softened somewhat since then, his contemporary dialogue is still tainted with a deep sense of bitterness and antagonism that only serves to further fuel local division.

Why did you get rid of this bit? Or did the journal remove it, if they did you should have shown proof of the piece you provided earlier, that way they couldn't or shouldn't remove it.

**DannyInvincible** · 01/03/2013, 1:40 PM

The Journal removed that section, annoyingly. Also telling that they saw fit to edit in "[Mr]" ahead of every mention of Campbell's name, lest he'd catch wind and take offence of my frightful irreverence.

Are they scared he'll sue them or something? My comments were based on the video in which Campbell is interviewed posted up-thread. I e-mailed it to them as it was posted here, and still have the e-mail. What do you mean by "show proof"? How and to whom?