James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

[Not Brazil]

the whole thing makes me rather uncomfortable and pessimistic about NI as the divide is so deep that there is literally no room for mutual respect among large swathes of the population there.

I would be more optimistic SR, although it will take a long time for some of the slower learners on both sides of the political divide here.

I think Her Majesty's visit to the Garden Of Remembrance in Dublin last year, and the visit of The Taoiseach and The Tánaiste to Remembrance Day Services in Northern Ireland on Sunday example how mutual respect can be shown and built upon.

There is much in our shared history to reconcile us, and I hope that can be explored in greater detail.

[Charlie Darwin]

I would be more optimistic SR, although it will take a long time for some of the slower learners on both sides of the political divide here.

I think Her Majesty's visit to the Garden Of Remembrance in Dublin last year, and the visit of The Taoiseach and The Tánaiste to Remembrance Day Services in Northern Ireland on Sunday example how mutual respect can be shown and built upon.

There is much in our shared history to reconcile us, and I hope that can be explored in greater detail.

Perhaps in some form of political union

[Not Brazil]

Perhaps in some form of political union

The South will fade into a big Federal European political union (one of the United States Of Europe) - we'll be remaining in a different kind of political Union.

[geysir]

Not to nit pick, but who has opinions they don't believe are right? If I didn't think my opinion was right, I'd have a different opinion!

So anyone who has a different opinion from you is wrong? and the point of discussion is to change the other person's 'wrong' opinion?
And you never ever have discovered later that maybe you were not so 'right' after all?

Pistols at dawn!

[peadar1987]

So anyone who has a different opinion from you is wrong? and the point of discussion is to change the other person's 'wrong' opinion?
And you never ever have discovered later that maybe you were not so 'right' after all?

Pistols at dawn!

I accept in general terms that my opinions might be wrong, and I'm definitely open to changing them but as I said, at the moment, I'm convinced that the specific opinions I hold are right. That's sort of the dictionary definition. If you don't believe it, then it's not your opinion.

The problem isn't believing that your opinion is right, the problem is believing that it can't be wrong.

[paul_oshea]

You sound like a man talking from experience there geysir.

[geysir]

The problem isn't believing that your opinion is right, the problem is believing that it can't be wrong.

I think you missed some context Peadair and have a look at what I was replying to in the first place.

[ArdeeBhoy]

we'll be remaining in a different kind of political Union.

Not when Alba leaves...


And no chance of NATO admitting Korea, let alone the EU!!

[tetsujin1979]

thought he tried hard tonight, a little too hard. Seemed to be attempting the difficult too often when a simple option was available

[SwanVsDalton]

Indeed. He was determined to sling the ball in the box at every opportunity but his crossing was poor, at least in the first half when I was watching.

[BonnieShels]

thought he tried hard tonight, a little too hard. Seemed to be attempting the difficult too often when a simple option was available

It felt like him and Coleman were at war with neither giving each other the ball. Even if he looked up once he would have seen Seamie in a great position on his right.

[Sullivinho]

Not when Alba leaves...

"She's coming apart, Captain!"

[peadar1987]

I think you missed some context Peadair and have a look at what I was replying to in the first place.

Oh I know what I was saying was completely irrelevant and out of context, I'm just a horribly pedantic person!

[SkStu]

I understand from reading that, that it's important for you to change other peoples' opinions, that you have this idea that your opinions are somehow more right and other peoples' opinions are more wrong. That you are not comfortable with just expressing your opinion on a matter but have the 'itch' to change the other person's opinion, perhaps towards your own point of view.

Here, you can express yourself and debate your point and leave it at that. Why on earth do you want to change people's opinions? that's fundamentalism.

Isn't debating - which you've asked me to do - a matter of convincing others of the accuracy of your opinions versus another opinion? It's not fundamentalism at all, it's just life. Either way, I don't know how different I am to most other people in the real world, never mind this forum.

[SkStu]

I see what you're saying, but rather than brand McClean an ill-informed loudmouth then, couldn't you acknowledge that his club placed him in a very uncomfortable no-win situation? Should he have toed the line, sold out and set himself up for a good shunning in his home community? Perhaps you were the one who was ill-informed?

FFS, you don't half bleed something to death do you? Didn't I already admit that I didn't understand that the poppy had been hijacked over there by a bunch of nutters and therefore could somewhat more easily understand James' position? Im not the type of poster who's afraid to hold his hands up and be corrected. That said, I stand by my original general sentiments that controversy seems to follow McClean and if it doesn't stop or if he doesnt just wind his neck in a little bit, he'll find himself as a footnote sooner rather than later. Whether his opinions are right or wrong!

[The Fly]

FFS, you don't half bleed something to death do you?

That trait came in very handy when he wrote his dissertation on player eligibility, I'll have you know.

Didn't I already admit that I didn't understand that the poppy had been hijacked over there by a bunch of nutters and therefore could somewhat more easily understand James' position?

It hasn't been hijacked by nutters. It's simply that the wearing of the poppy has become more or less ubiquitous in Britain and as such any refusal to wear one attracts significant comment. The reasons for McClean's refusal are obvious, as was stated earlier in the thread. The reasons for the poppy's ubiquity, are for another thread.

[gastric]

Lads,

You know you are testing Tets' sanity by continuing this debate, he has even tried to steer this thread back onto football!

[The Fly]

The South will fade into a big Federal European political union (one of the United States Of Europe) - we'll be remaining in a different kind of political Union.

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[SkStu]

That trait came in very handy when he wrote his dissertation on player eligibility, I'll have you know.



It hasn't been hijacked by nutters. It's simply that the wearing of the poppy has become more or less ubiquitous in Britain and as such any refusal to wear one attracts significant comment. The reasons for McClean's refusal are obvious, as was stated earlier in the thread. The reasons for the poppy's ubiquity, are for another thread.

Okay! I really don't want to argue about this anymore! I need a holiday!

[DannyInvincible]

I accept in general terms that my opinions might be wrong, and I'm definitely open to changing them but as I said, at the moment, I'm convinced that the specific opinions I hold are right. That's sort of the dictionary definition. If you don't believe it, then it's not your opinion.

The problem isn't believing that your opinion is right, the problem is believing that it can't be wrong.

Some very interesting discussion in James' thread of late! But aren't opinions mere subjective statements of belief or interpretations of a personal perception of the truth/facts determined by one's perspectives and dependent on individual circumstances? They can't be right and wrong, by definition/nature (à la statements of fact, which will always have been true at some point); just different and diverse, surely, with all being as valid as the next? The words "right" and "wrong" bear no meaning when it comes to opinions. When an opinion is accurate, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact, no?

Philosophically-speaking, of course.

FFS, you don't half bleed something to death do you? Didn't I already admit that I didn't understand that the poppy had been hijacked over there by a bunch of nutters and therefore could somewhat more easily understand James' position? Im not the type of poster who's afraid to hold his hands up and be corrected. That said, I stand by my original general sentiments that controversy seems to follow McClean and if it doesn't stop or if he doesnt just wind his neck in a little bit, he'll find himself as a footnote sooner rather than later. Whether his opinions are right or wrong!

OK, OK... Controversy does appear to follow young James around, but let's not lazily hold him responsible for all of it before we properly understand the nature and primary cause of these episodes ourselves. That's akin to prejudice. You'll be happy to hear I'll leave it at that. For now...