James McClean M Wrexham b.1989

[amaccann]

Baffled at the decision by Trapatoni: be faithful to those who got us to the finals, sure, but what possible harm is there in bringing-in the young talent and showing them around the premises, so to speak. A few training sessions with Robbie, Shay & co would do wonders for him slowly acclimitising him to the next level. Build up friendships, continue the good team mentality we have at the moment.

Jesus, imagine the pointers he could pick up from a few sessions alongside Duffer. Utterly baffled by this.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I'm saying if McClean keeps this form up it'll be very hard to leave him out of the Ireland squad. Not many players try harder than Hunt, but on current form it'd be a shame if Hunt went and McClean didn't.

Very much agreed.
But why originally refer to the element relating to his heritage though? It's extremely relevant in this and a number of other cases.

And will continue to be so 'ad infinitum'...

[Acornvilla]

Looks like he took an arrow to the knee.

haha

[johnnyc]

Very much agreed.
But why originally refer to the element relating to his heritage though? It's extremely relevant in this and a number of other cases.

And will continue to be so 'ad infinitum'...

I'm not referring to McClean's heritage though. I'm talking about threads being taken off topic by discussing matters not directly related to the player. McClean having an issue with being referred to as Northern Irish on Motd2 is fair game, but when threads get full of tired political discussions rather than anything directly related to the player, that's another matter. I don't think I'm alone in my frustration at seeing a few new posts in a thread and my immediate thoughts are "Great! Hopefully this is news about player X getting a transfer/being praised in the press/scoring a goal" or whatever, only to see it's another political discussion.

[Predator]

I hate when threads get derailed by the complaints of the thread being derailed.

[Irish_Praha]

I wonder will McClean beat McCarthy's record of a more than 150 page thread on foot.ie before he even plays a competitive game?
Looks like it's slowly heading that way if he's not going to be involved in the Euros.

[ArdeeBhoy]

I'm not referring to McClean's heritage though. I'm talking about threads being taken off topic by discussing matters not directly related to the player. McClean having an issue with being referred to as Northern Irish on Motd2 is fair game, but when threads get full of tired political discussions rather than anything directly related to the player, that's another matter. I don't think I'm alone in my frustration at seeing a few new posts in a thread and my immediate thoughts are "Great! Hopefully this is news about player X getting a transfer/being praised in the press/scoring a goal" or whatever, only to see it's another political discussion.

Except it's not political. Unless you live in a bubble.
Presumably the players themselves would at least recognise the relevance.

[Olé Olé]

I'm not referring to McClean's heritage though. I'm talking about threads being taken off topic by discussing matters not directly related to the player. McClean having an issue with being referred to as Northern Irish on Motd2 is fair game, but when threads get full of tired political discussions rather than anything directly related to the player, that's another matter. I don't think I'm alone in my frustration at seeing a few new posts in a thread and my immediate thoughts are "Great! Hopefully this is news about player X getting a transfer/being praised in the press/scoring a goal" or whatever, only to see it's another political discussion.

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.

[Irish_Praha]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.

There's obviously a large difference of opinion on this topic among the forum member.
Maybe it's time the mods got involved to clarify the situation - after all what else are they there for?

So please mods let us know what the stance of Foot.ie on this subject is.
This will either stop people complaining about whwn other bring up the political side of the debate or stop those bringing up the political side of the debate from complaining when they are told to shut up and bring it to another thread.

[ArdeeBhoy]

But what if the players themselves 'bring politics into it', like at least one has done, 'allegedly' ?

[johnnyc]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

I don't like that idea.

[johnnyc]

There's obviously a large difference of opinion on this topic among the forum member.
Maybe it's time the mods got involved to clarify the situation - after all what else are they there for?

So please mods let us know what the stance of Foot.ie on this subject is.
This will either stop people complaining about whwn other bring up the political side of the debate or stop those bringing up the political side of the debate from complaining when they are told to shut up and bring it to another thread.

I like that idea. Just wanna say though that I'm not telling anyone to shut up. Just think football and politics are two different things. If a players heritage or whatever is being discussed that's certainly relevant, but I honestly don't see how history and disussions of whether or not to use a capital "N" in Northern Ireland belong in a thread on a footballer...!?!

[Stuttgart88]

Yep, for all McClean knew he just slipped...just saying I know some will be arguing he shouldn't have carried on.

He'd have needed eyes on the back of his head to realise Mertersacker was in trouble. When McClean got the ball first it just looked like he had slipped. Nothing wrong with playing on in those circumstances.

[johnnyc]

He'd have needed eyes on the back of his head to realise Mertersacker was in trouble. When McClean got the ball first it just looked like he had slipped. Nothing wrong with playing on in those circumstances.

Totally agree. I was a bit worried the press would pick up on it and call him a cheat or unsporting or something.

[elroy]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.

As there is a substantial thread dedicated to the political eligibility matter, surely its not unreasonable to ask that such related debate is confined to that thread, rather than every single thread of a 6 county born player becoming dominated by that very same issue. No one is saying the debate should be ignored or stopped but please can it not be kept to a thread fully dedicated to it.

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

[SkStu]

Maybe the McClean thread should be split into two: 'McClean: The football thread' and 'McClean: The politics thread'. Then we can do the same for attacks on Stephen Ireland's character and his football. Then perhaps one thread discussing Robbie Keane's performances for Ireland/Villa and another in which people can state that they like or dislike him.

Ignore the political discussion if it doesn't interest you. Many find it valid and worthy of discussion.

There's obviously a large difference of opinion on this topic among the forum member.
Maybe it's time the mods got involved to clarify the situation - after all what else are they there for?

So please mods let us know what the stance of Foot.ie on this subject is.
This will either stop people complaining about whwn other bring up the political side of the debate or stop those bringing up the political side of the debate from complaining when they are told to shut up and bring it to another thread.

i will add these two posts to the support forum for discussion and clarification from Dahamsta and his team of motley mods.

i believe the eligibility thread is for all things related to eligibility inclusive of when players bring politics into it as ArdeeBhoy raised above. Keep these threads for player news and performances.

[the bear]

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

nobody, i would of named a bigger squad, it would give youngsters a feel for how the international scene works and keep regulars on their toes

[ArdeeBhoy]

I'm sure the players involved will welcome your concern...


And agree with The Bear. A bigger squad would have made more sense.

Or if a choice had to be made, probably Stephen Hunt would be dropped for this game and maybe Duff for Pilkington or Hoolahan, as they should both be looked at in friendlies ASAP.

Especially if McGeady's injured.

[DannyInvincible]

To those who wish that trap had named mcclean in the squad for the Czech game, who would you have dropped from the squad he has chosen, to make way for james

Agrre with 'the bear' above. Besides, isn't Coleman injured?

[DannyInvincible]

Keep these threads for player news and performances.

Like news on their eligibility and that?