QuoteStupid & Football - two words you would never find on the same page!Originally Posted by The Fly
Indeed. It would be monumentally stupid for any club to pursue such a policy, and leave themselves open to some sort of legal action.
Stupid & Football - two words you would never find on the same page!
Decent short summary here...
http://www.irishpost.co.uk/sport/spo...wear-the-poppy
Tony Evans in the Times today had a good piece saying how self righteous football and the media have become about the poppy, and saying it's daft to expect all manner of foreigners to make the statement. Robert Fisk in the Indy last week had a scathing attack on poppy symbolism too.
That said my daughter (10) and her class put on a very moving tribute to the dead in her school on Friday with not a hint of politics, just a grim recognition of the horror of WW1. It'd have been churlish for me to have told a 10 year old I'm not going to wear one, in the spirit of what she and her classmates were trying to achieve.
I have to say I've been quite taken aback by a lot of the jingoism that has accompanied it this year. I'm not thick, I know it's always been thus, but for some reason every year it seems to get a bit more in your face and its definitely given me reason to think twice about it. None of youse has though
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 11/11/2013 at 5:02 PM.
Not football related, but this makes you think.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...-war-dead.html
Seriously, this BS has to stop...
Can't believe that piece is genuine. It reads like a parody. Especially this:
Then again, it is the Telegraph.Gerry Sutcliffe, a Labour MP who sits on the Culture, Media and Sport committee, said: “Around Remembrance Day it is demeaning not to have something that is spectacular.”
Even The Belfast Telegraph talks more sense...
I'd distinguish between the Remembrance tradition (dating back to the World Wars) and the fetish made of the Military in this country (if not new, then much more pronounced since the Mid-East Wars started).I have to say I've been quite taken aback by a lot of the jingoism that has accompanied it this year. I'm not thick, I know it's always been thus, but for some reason every year it seems to get a bit more in your face and its definitely given me reason to think twice about it. None of youse has though
I know I shouldn't, but that Torygraph article made me laugh.
Last edited by Gather round; 11/11/2013 at 5:06 PM.
Is there a way of doing that though? If there was I'd do it.
Speaking of military fetishism, Simon Barnes had a dig at the RFU in last week's Times, criticising the whole match day atmosphere at "HQ" which is patronising to the fans, but also taking note that the RFU is a bit too attached to using the army on match day (abseiling from the roof, presenting the match ball to the ref...). I agree. It's as if the RFU thinks that sporting nationalism is the same as military nationalism, which it's not, though I think England fails to make this distinction in several sports.
It's with a degree of certainty that we can say that sports events have been totally hijacked by the fanatical rule britannia types in England, not unlike the worst excesses of US military patriotism paraded at events with varying doses of saccharine enhanced sentiment. Other countries in Europe can manage to remember their war dead on remembrance day with upmost dignity, minus the jingoism.
That's nothing, you should see what they have done to the youtube with google+ comments system!!
Indeed: http://www.salon.com/2013/11/11/stop..._our_freedoms/
It has to be said, their own paltry effort was fairly unspectacular.
Another victim of poppy fascism...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ance-day-poppy
The banner at Chelsea was very, shall we say, in your face. There was a great photo of it draped over the stand when Shane Long scored his goal. At a club like Chelsea you just know its a statement laden with nationalism rather than respect.
This shocker was tweeted to McClean last night:
By an ex-soldier, no less...
New day, same eejits...just like the morons at the game Stutts refers to. These clowns know nothing of history.
Why do they even care what McClean thinks?
A few comments on the above. One, it is disgusting and uncalled for, however, why the hell is McClean back on twitter with his history of silly comments? His comments in the past have come back to haunt him, so it is hard to feel sorry for him. And while Danny vehemently disagrees with me on this, why doesn' McClean release a statement explaining his unique situation. Until then, he is many people's east target as they see him simply as anti-British.
McClean has had a shared experience, not a unique one. Why should he release a letter explaining his situation to a bunch of fascists and their supporters in society, saying 'please leave me alone and respect my views'? It's not his job to educate the bigots of this world or even to try to get them to understand him. It's up to the rest in society to support his freedom to respectfully choose.
That guy should be charged with a hate crime, so at least that he and those like him, should get the message to keep quiet.
Permission for the outbreaks of hate abuse against any figure who choses not to wear the poppy, has been given by the almost instutionalised hijacking of the poppy celebration by the rule britannia brigade, dragging it a long distance away from a respectful memorial period to the fallen soldier.
Don't most people join the army because they are thick?
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