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    Nothing in their recent matches against Montenegro, Spain or Sweden particularly worried me. They would be favourites no doubt but we are better off getting them than Germany or Russia. Would prefer Italy in that pot, but failing that, England are the next best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightstory View Post
    I really, really hope not. It will bring out the very worst in the 'Joxer Goes To Stuttgart'/'Ole Ole'/'Fields of Athenry' super-eejits brigade.
    lol, so there is a problem with the fans who sing the above songs? What would you prefer, a bit of 'Who are ya' or maybe just peaceful silence????

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    [QUOTE=Jaysus;1557223]It hurts to say this but let's face it - we wouldn't be able to deal with England man, anyone who thinks they wouldn't beat us 9 times out of 10 is being blindly patriotic. If the England squad was a club team they would be in the Champions League spots and we would be around 15th. A heavy defeat to them would be harder to take than anyone else so it's a big no no for me.[/QUOTE

    disagree, how many times to England under perform in tournaments?
    EC2000 - Lost to an average Protugal team and Romania
    WC2002 - Draws with Sweden and Nigeria
    EC2004 - Lost to France, out on Peno's to Portugal (not their worst tournament)
    WC2006 - Struggled to beat Paraguay and T&T (T&T had chances in that game to get something), out to Portugal on peno's again
    EC2008 - DNQ
    WC2010 - Draws with USA and Algeria, 1-0 win against Slovenia and hammered by Germany

    So where have they ever whacked a team? We have proven ourselves very good defensively under Trap, we have been getting better and better. We have a very good record against England, all the pressure would be on them again, they don't do pressure good. Bring it on.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deckydee View Post
    I dont know what to think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The difference between the irish and english papers from newsnow


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    Quote Originally Posted by French Toasht View Post
    Yes. And I've only seen us beaten twice in 24 games. Your point is?
    We're not very good, otherwise.
    Very poor creativity and virtually no wins v.higher-ranked teams.

    Otherwise, nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post
    WC2006 - Struggled to beat Paraguay and T&T.....
    IIRC the win over T&T was also thanks to a goal that should have been disallowed when Crouch climbed all over the defender

    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post
    WC2010 - Draws with USA and Algeria, 1-0 win against Slovenia and hammered by Germany

    Algeria played them off the park in that game too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever View Post
    IIRC the win over T&T was also thanks to a goal that should have been disallowed when Crouch climbed all over the defender

    Algeria played them off the park in that game too
    Aye, I don't think I needed to expand, the regard some people seem to hold the english team in is strange to me, maybe its from a general obsession with the premiership, which is now a days dominated by foreign players anyway.

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    [QUOTE=Polster;1557239]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysus View Post
    It hurts to say this but let's face it - we wouldn't be able to deal with England man, anyone who thinks they wouldn't beat us 9 times out of 10 is being blindly patriotic. If the England squad was a club team they would be in the Champions League spots and we would be around 15th. A heavy defeat to them would be harder to take than anyone else so it's a big no no for me.[/QUOTE

    disagree, how many times to England under perform in tournaments?
    EC2000 - Lost to an average Protugal team and Romania
    WC2002 - Draws with Sweden and Nigeria
    EC2004 - Lost to France, out on Peno's to Portugal (not their worst tournament)
    WC2006 - Struggled to beat Paraguay and T&T (T&T had chances in that game to get something), out to Portugal on peno's again
    EC2008 - DNQ
    WC2010 - Draws with USA and Algeria, 1-0 win against Slovenia and hammered by Germany

    So where have they ever whacked a team? We have proven ourselves very good defensively under Trap, we have been getting better and better. We have a very good record against England, all the pressure would be on them again, they don't do pressure good. Bring it on.....
    Our record against England 20 years ago means absolutely nothing, unless you've got a time machine out back and can bring Townsend, Lawrenson, Whelan, Aldridge etc back from their pomp.

    Many of these English players have proven to be some of the best players in Europe in the Champions League - if they actually click as a team for once they will get very far. And they have extremely talented young players.

    A probable English starting XI:

    Hart
    Richards
    Terry
    Ferdinand
    Cole
    Lennon
    Wilshere
    Parker
    Young
    Lampard
    Bent

    That team would wipe the floor with us, sadly. I would love to say we realistically have a good chance of a positive result against England, but l can't.

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    [QUOTE=Jaysus;1557253]
    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post

    Our record against England 20 years ago means absolutely nothing, unless you've got a time machine out back and can bring Townsend, Lawrenson, Whelan, Aldridge etc back from their pomp.

    Many of these English players have proven to be some of the best players in Europe in the Champions League - if they actually click as a team for once they will get very far. And they have extremely talented young players.

    A probable English starting XI:

    Hart
    Richards
    Terry
    Ferdinand
    Cole
    Lennon
    Wilshere
    Parker
    Young
    Lampard
    Bent

    That team would wipe the floor with us, sadly. I would love to say we realistically have a good chance of a positive result against England, but l can't.
    Your missing the point, England have always been one of the favourites in these tournaments, but nearly always bottle it. They did have one of the best sides in 1990 and we outplayed them.

    How would you rate the Algerian and USA teams man for man that England could not beat in the last WC?

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    We got Poland, Germany and Greece in the draw dress rehearsal. Would take that all day.
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    [QUOTE=Polster;1557259]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysus View Post

    Your missing the point, England have always been one of the favourites in these tournaments, but nearly always bottle it. They did have one of the best sides in 1990 and we outplayed them.

    How would you rate the Algerian and USA teams man for man that England could not beat in the last WC?
    Fair enough there, plus the Algerian and even maybe the USA team is weaker than ours now.

    But I don't go along with wanting to draw England on the assumption they will choke again...that's just silly. Capello is a very good coach, who knows, he might get it right this time around and instill the confidence in them to play to their potential. This English team could easily reach a semi final, possibly a final if the draw falls kindly for them. Spain or Germany would eventually do them though.

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    You say the best in Champions league....and give these as your example...


    Hart - Top keeper yes, city going out though, and still prefer Shay
    Richards - Don't play champions league, Zabalete does
    Terry - Well past his best
    Ferdinand - Even further past his best
    Cole - past his best
    Lennon - Hit and miss
    Wilshere - Injured
    Parker - Don't play champions league, best English player at moment
    Young - Good player
    Lampard - well past best
    Bent - Never a champions league player

    City probably out of CL, Chelsea maybe to, Utd under pressure, Arsenal ok but full of non english...

    Games are not won on paper, its out on the pitch, who wants it most, 11 against 11, and when it comes to major tournaments that has been proven. If top team don't perform you get a Greece or Denmark becoming champions.

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    [QUOTE=Jaysus;1557264]
    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post

    Fair enough there, plus the Algerian and even maybe the USA team is weaker than ours now.

    But I don't go along with wanting to draw England on the assumption they will choke again...that's just silly. Capello is a very good coach, who knows, he might get it right this time around and instill the confidence in them to play to their potential. This English team could easily reach a semi final, possibly a final if the draw falls kindly for them. Spain or Germany would eventually do them though.
    Man, we should be living for days like that..we probably wont be winning these tournaments, not at the moment anyway, so lets have a shot at glory, play the old enemy and if we lose, so what, but if we win, we have another legendary day to celebrate.

    We could the ideal group, struggle to 4 points and still go out.

    I'm all for romance, in football terms of course.

    Keep the faith.

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    God I cant wait for the Euros. This Euro 2012, will be the most competitive and highest standard Euros since it became 16 teams. To think if we are perceived as the weakest team at the tournament, then we are the best, weakest team ever to play in any international tournament. When the seedings for the Euros were made the top 12 teams in Europe took 12 of the 14 spots on offer. Denmark who sat immediately outside the top 14 took the 13th spot and we effectively replaced Serbia as the 14th team. This is definately the most competive Euros in ages, all the big guns are there, and of course the boys in green. Wish I could just fast foward 6 months.

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    Jeez, I just turned on the box there and they showed a group
    Spain
    Germany
    Portugal
    Rep Of Ireland

    Then they said oh that would be the worst possible scenario. Nearly had a mini heart attack....
    "Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post
    You say the best in Champions league....and give these as your example...


    Hart - Top keeper yes, city going out though, and still prefer Shay
    Richards - Don't play champions league, Zabalete does
    Terry - Well past his best
    Ferdinand - Even further past his best
    Cole - past his best
    Lennon - Hit and miss
    Wilshere - Injured
    Parker - Don't play champions league, best English player at moment
    Young - Good player
    Lampard - well past best
    Bent - Never a champions league player

    City probably out of CL, Chelsea maybe to, Utd under pressure, Arsenal ok but full of non english...

    Games are not won on paper, its out on the pitch, who wants it most, 11 against 11, and when it comes to major tournaments that has been proven. If top team don't perform you get a Greece or Denmark becoming champions.
    England are definitely weak at the back. Terry and Cole are part of a crumbling Chelsea defence. Terry has looked well past it both this season and last. Would it be surprising if either or both Terry and Ferdinand were dropped by the time the finals come round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    England are definitely weak at the back. Terry and Cole are part of a crumbling Chelsea defence. Terry has looked well past it both this season and last. Would it be surprising if either or both Terry and Ferdinand were dropped by the time the finals come round?
    I don't think they will be dropped, defo not Terry unless the racisim stuff is proven. Capello won't make many changes from here on in, be cole, terry, ferdinand/cahill, and probably johnson.

    As you said, far from the strongest back 4.

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    Although I was thinking a while back that Holland are untouchable, I'm actually beginning to think a well set out side could do a job on them. I'd relish the challenge - and occasion - of playing the Dutch.

    Spain would be too painful to watch. 90% Spanish possession.

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    [QUOTE=Polster;1557259]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysus View Post

    Your missing the point, England have always been one of the favourites in these tournaments, but nearly always bottle it. They did have one of the best sides in 1990 and we outplayed them.

    How would you rate the Algerian and USA teams man for man that England could not beat in the last WC?
    Ah yes the 2010 World Cup



    Now who topped that group again?
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    "Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.

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